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"One of the worst presidents in US history"

From article: "[Trump] is regarded by historians as one of the worst presidents in U.S. history."

This is an incredibly biased claim that comes far too soon. Practically everyone but ideologues know that it's hard to impossible to judge a president's performance less than 4 years after they left office. Political sentiments and tensions are too fresh for objectivity. Like so many other Wikipedia articles, this is a left-wing hit piece masquerading as objective fact. 2600:8806:2404:8000:AD53:4A5C:1E9E:D6A0 (talk) 23:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"This is an incredibly biased claim that comes far too soon." No, it is not. See Historical rankings of presidents of the United States. Dimadick (talk) 08:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to this reply by Dimadick (and after reading the Wikipedia article to which he refered), I understand that Trump is ranked among the 5 worst presidents, according to polls, which are held periodically by Siena & C-SPAN, but this article finds its main argument from an article of the New York Times of Feb. 19, 2018 (see reference below) :

"We surveyed presidential politics experts to sketch out a first draft of Trump’s place in presidential history. (...) according to the 170 members of the American Political Science Association’s Presidents and Executive Politics section who filled out our survey, he has at least three years to improve on an ignominious debut."

The writer of that same article (written within the first year following the election of Trump) concluded this way:

"Trump’s initial rating places him in an ignominious category, but dozens of presidents have had slow starts and have course corrected to improve their public esteem. Beyond his reputation or ranking, Donald Trump’s very presidency may alter perceptions of presidential legacies as his unique approach to the office continues to surprise."

https://web.archive.org/web/20180305092423/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/19/opinion/how-does-trump-stack-up-against-the-best-and-worst-presidents.html

Yes, his first 4 years were marred in controversy, culminating with the events of January 6, 2021.

But for the sake of fairness, we will see in 4 years, what these pollers and experts will say, whether things are different or not, this time around. 205.193.170.4 (talk) 23:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Electoral history of Donald Trump

Why do you not have the same pages for both presumed major party candidates in the USA Presidential elections, especially because both of them have Electoral Histories? It should not be that difficult because there only needs to be four entries. Two primaries and two Presidential elections. If the data is that readily available to make pretty graphs for Mr. Biden it should be just as available for President Trump. Thank you. 2600:1702:A30:49C0:8C55:5FD2:64FE:C9F4 (talk) 22:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inexact statement: "racist Birtherism conspiracy theory"

Identifying the "Birtherism conspiracy theory" as "racist" is purely a matter of personal judgement. If someone wants to identify Trump himself as racist, they have the right to state their case. But identifying Birtherism as racist is a judgement INFERRED. It is intellectually inaccurate, as Birtherism itself does not refer to race as an object or a topic. 205.193.170.4 (talk) 19:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality

The lead section in this article reads more like a column in the Washington Post than an actual encyclopedic article.

Trump is the only U.S. president to have been impeached twice, or to be impeached for incitement of insurrection against the United States, for his role in the failed 2021 United States Capitol attack after losing the 2020 election. One representative survey of presidential experts rated Trump last in overall ability, background, integrity, intelligence, and executive appointments, and next to last in party leadership, relationship to congress, and ability to compromise.

Aside from the second half of this paragraph being a series of one-sided politically charged attacks against Trump, many of which are subjective and disputed, the first half fails to mention that he was also acquitted both times.

Trump subsequently became the 2016 Republican nominee for president of the United States after beating sixteen other candidates during a controversial campaign that drew praise and support from foreign dictatorships, domestic white nationalists, and the global far right.

This bit is dreadful and completely ignores the millions of people that make up a majority of Trump voters and supporters who are none of these things. Which "foreign dictatorships" praised Donald Trump's campaign? Vladimir Putin called Trump a bright person in 2016, but this is not praise so much as it is, say, regular diplomacy. I mean, he said Biden in 2024 would be best for Russia, but that's not highlighted in the Biden 2024 campaign article and for good reason one might say.

U.S. Intelligence officials later determined that the Government of the Russian Federation had illegally intervened in the election to aid Trump's victory.

One sides information makes Trump seem like some sort of agent working on behalf of Russia.

He saw numerous allegations of misconduct that resulted in investigations by Congress and Special Council, as well as two impeachments.

Mentioning the two impeachments twice in the lead section seems like abundant repetition to me, and it could probably help the article if some examples of his misconduct were given.

Trump continues to push the false idea that he is still the true president of the United States, which has led to ongoing controversy within the Republican party.

Really? Ongoing controversy? Among whom, the Mitt Romney Republican Party Caucus? Mitt Romney is not really taken seriously by his fellow Republicans anymore. Other anti-Trump Republicans in Congress have seen their political careers more or less die out (they may recover them one day but it is not Wikipedia's job to make predictions), such as Liz Cheney.

I think the lead section has several issues and does not seem even remotely neutral to me. Maurnxiao (talk) 21:03, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]