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October 15, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 3, 2012.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the music of Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, and Arnold Schoenberg inspired jazz-guitarist Ralph Patt to invent major-thirds tuning?

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Image of Ralph Patt: Needed

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Would somebody donate a free picture of Ralph Patt, please? The present image is used under U.S. fair-use copyright law, and so cannot appear on the main page or in other articles. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:15, 17 August 2012 (UTC) 22:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Patt's publications

Searching with the above find-sources tool shows that Patt authored two guitar-books and numerous geological technical-reports, which should be added to flush-out the article. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:37, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fair-use images

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Fair-use rationale of one image improved, and others removed (and deleted from WP), following consensus

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Administrator Milburn stated that the guitar in the lede picture and the picture below were the same, which demonstrates his incompetence with this article. If he reads the article and the rationales and views the images (or receives assistance doing so), then he might be able to make an intelligent contribution to a discussion of images. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:38, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"User Wolfowitz has reverted my edits, which demonstrates his incompetence with Wikipedia policy." If you want to piss me off, you're going to have to do better than that, but if you want to have a reasonable discussion with me, you're going to have to tone down your hatred. Again, the burden of proof is on you. Please explain why these three images meet NFCC#8. J Milburn (talk) 15:47, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You just annoyed me. Nobody here hates you, as far as I know.

Please see my talk page discussion, about the historical importance of Patt's 8-string guitars. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 16:42, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

By confusing the two guitars you have just demonstrated, why without viewing an 8-string guitar, viewers have difficulty understanding what an 8-string guitar is. ;)

Again, 8 string guitars are rare (particularly arch-top semi-hollow acoustic electric guitars) and Patt's is historically significant. The reduced scope of M3 tuning and the consequent association with 7-8 strings is discussed in the article. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 16:49, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

American Lutherie

The American Lutherie's profile of Patt and luthier Saul Koll enabled substantial improvements, e.g., replacing some trivial OR by synthesis with sourced statements.

Patt's development of M3 tuning now deserves more detail. This may take a few weeks. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:02, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Freddie Green and Chuck Wayne: Systems of chords

More context should be added. The musical theorists have been noted. However, Freddie Green's systematic use of three-finger chords (usually played with each beat rather than usually played every measure) and Chuck Wayne's system of four finger-chords both should be briefly explained.

Patt was influenced by others attempts to reduce the adhockeries of standard-tuning fingerings. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:02, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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