Talk:Ram Rath Yatra

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ram Rath Yatra/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Aircorn (talk · contribs) 22:51, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Nice article. Sorry about the break in the middle, had to shoot off. I make comments as I read through and not all of them are required as part of the GA criteria. AIRcorn (talk) 04:28, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Comments

• This site is often believed to at the place where the Babri Masjid stood in the city of Ayodhya in Uttar Pradesh. Grammar

  Fixed.

• It lent its support to the agitation for a temple at Ayodhya. This reads a little funny. I know what you mean and I think it makes sense, but maybe could be a little clearer. Or maybe I am reading the definition of agitation wrong.

  Tweaked, let me know if it needs something further.

• Mobilizing Is this the correct Indian English spelling. It is used a few times in the article

  Fixed, along with a few others.

• Since the founding of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh in 1925 its support, and that of its political wing the Jana Sangh and the BJP, had been restricted to people of upper castes; with the Ram Janmabhoomi agitation, the BJP hoped to spread its influence outside this demographic This sentence is a bit awkward.

  Reworked, let me know if there's further issues.

• The background is interesting, but it is not clear to me how this relates to Ram Rath Yatra or even what Ram Rath Yatra is. I would expect at least a simple explanation pretty early on. It also doesn't segue way into the next section obviously.

  I see what you mean; it's a consequence of being too close to the sources when I'm writing. I'll work on this.

  I have reworked this section, please let me know if it flows better now.

• Maybe explain Yatra before giving its aims

  Missed this; done.

• Hindu pilgrimages have traditionally been spaces where caste and gender barriers have been broken to a limited extent, thus making them useful for the BJP, which sought to unite its electorate, which was divided by caste-based discrimination. Two whichs

  Tweaked, let me know if there's further issues.

• It is not clear how the Ram applies to the Ram Rath Yatra when explained under etymology. I assume it is to do with Rama?

  Yeah the etymology is a bit odd. It's the same name, transliterated a different way, but in trying to respect COMMONNAME, we're left with two seemingly different names. I'll think on how best to convey this.

• Additionally, the BJP wished to draw a parallel between its effort to build a temple in Ayodhya, and the reconstruction of the Somnath temple, undertaken by the INC led government of India in the 1950s. What is INC and can we spell it out. Same with VHP (is it Vishwa Hindu Parishad).

  Done.

• The BJP was helped by the decision of some Muslim leaders to issue a call to boycott Republic Day events on 26 January 1991. Not obvious how this helped them

  Sorry missed this. The implication, in the Engineer source, is that the boycott of the government on a national holiday was portrayed as an unpatriotic action on the part of those Muslim people who participated in it, and this was used to further religious polarization. However, Engineer doesn't say this explicitly, and so I have removed this sentence; it's too fraught an issue to use the implication to explain it, I think. Vanamonde (Talk) 05:54, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

• Was any action taken following the inquiry into the demolition.

  Well, charges were framed in 2017, but AFAICT the case is sitting in court, and the news media tend not to report on things until some change occurs; so I have nothing more recent, I'm afraid.

• No dead links

  Cheers.

• Copyright violation possible according to earwig[1] I am assuming that these are copies of this article (quora anyway). I am not sure what this is, but it doesn't look like a site someone here would copy. Can you just confirm this.

  Yeah that's those folks copying from Wikipedia. This article was written a while ago; that post (on pictame.com) is from last year.

• Neutrality is important for articles like this so I just want to confirm here that I noticed no red flags in this regard. No talk page issues to suggest there might be issues here

  Cheers.

• Only two images. Both seem fine. Not sure what else is available (the actual Yatra would be nice)

  It would, but I'm afraid I can't find any on commons or on the internet that are obvious free use, BUT free use images equally obviously must exist, so a NFUR wouldn't hold much water, I think...

• References look good

  Cheers (Commenting here to visually mark them as done).

Aircorn Thanks for the review: I believe I have addressed everything, but I'm happy to revisit anything you think needs further work. Vanamonde (Talk) 05:49, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Had another read through and think this is pretty much there. Some final comments. AIRcorn (talk) 07:11, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

• Can you confirm where in the source [2] it supports became one of India's biggest mass movements. This is the only thing required before I will pass it.

  This was in the Jaffrelot source, my apologies. I either mixed them up when writing (possible) or when shuffling content later (more likely). Jaffrelot says "The Rath Yatra was one of the greatest mass movements in independent India", which is clear enough, I think. I'll duplicate the source.

• I am assuming there already was quite an undercurrent of Hindu - Muslim tension. Did it escalate for any reason, apart from the caste issue. Reading the above source it seems to think this was more political than religious. Do you think it would be worth mentioning more under background. I know it is covered in the last paragraph, but I feel it glosses over this a bit. I understand we don't want to go into too much detail. There is Religious violence in India that could be linked (which incidentally doesn't seem to mention this incident - leading to my checking the above source). I don't really know the history and am just spit-balling here, so take it with a grain of salt if you will. It is fine as is and gets the point across well enough.

  There is indeed an undercurrent of religious tension, which the movement sought to exploit for political purposes. I thought that was covered enough in the background section, but I can add a little bit more material about the ideology of this particularly movement in the body.

• My first read through I thought VHP was a political party. Now I am not so sure. Would a short descriptor be useful at its first mention in the body?

  Well the most precise descriptor would be "Hindu nationalist volunteer organization", because they don't really have a specific aim; so I'd prefer to

Aircorn, I think I've got everything now. Since you've plowed your way through this, I wonder if you'd be willing to review Demolition of the Babri Masjid as well? It's obviously a closely related topic, so you're well placed to review it. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:50, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Happy to pass this. I have a GA of my own under review that I will work on next, but will grab your other article when I am up-to-date with that one. If you get time would you mind looking at Mani Ratnam. An editor requested a GAR review (it is currently the oldest one). I initially though it might be alright, but then decided the prose was pretty poor.[3] I will get back to it, but even if you could let me know if it is salvageable or if it should just go straight to reassessment it would help. AIRcorn (talk) 20:28, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

• According to hearsay, "According to Hindu faith and belief" might be appropriate? A suggestion as the Allahabad Hight Court verdict and the Supreme Court verdict also affirmed that the Masjid was built by demolishing a Hindu temple which is not in accordance with the tenets of Islam[4] Vempkumar (talk) 15:13, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

  It should be "According to some Hindus" because the court also found no evidence that Babur had destroyed the temple.[5] Capitals00 (talk) 20:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2021

The page mentions that the victims of the riots caused due to the Rath Yatra were majorly Muslims without any source/citation to support this speculation. Specifically, the following line should be removed : Muslims were often the victims of these riots, particularly in the state of Uttar Pradesh. Sajalmaheshwari624 (talk) 22:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. Two sources have been provided, [10] and [16]. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 04:47, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2021

Remove this article from Wikipedia becouse it is politically praises one side and defames other. The word used like militants for hindu community is unethical. Article also states that muslims were the targeted in riots which is false information and is a attempt to reduce brotherhood in communities and increase hatrate. This article completely defames hindu community so either remove it or edit it. Kt29042001 (talk) 15:24, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2023

The Supreme Court of India analysed the archaeological evidences and concluded that the original Ram temple was partially demolished to built the mosque. In fact the body of the structure is that of the Hindu temple but the top has been razed off to build the domes of the mosque. EngineerInd (talk) 08:56, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Callmemirela 🍁 13:52, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

References

wrong Statement

" BJP withdrew its support to the Union government, leading to early parliamentary elections" is wrong.

This statement that is wrong only the V.P.Singh government fell later Chandrashekar became the PM with the support of the congress and his government did not fall due to the BJP it fell due to differences with the Congress which led to the 1991 Lok Sabha elections. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Did you read the cited source? Guha writes that the Congress supported Chandrashekar's "lame duck" government as a short-term measure to prepare for the 1991 general elections. I'm amenable to clarifying that, but if you want to make prose changes you can't leave a misleading edit-summary, and the changes also need to be grammatical. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)