Talk:Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March

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"Since Roger was underage at the death of his father, Edmund Mortimer, he was placed by Edward I under the guardianship of Piers Gaveston, and was knighted by Edward in 1306. In that year also Roger was endowed as Baron Wigmore, and came into his full inheritance. His adult life began in earnest." Is this right? Firstly Piers Gaveston was famous for being the favorite of Edward II not the Ist and in addition Gaveston was 3 years younger than Morimer.Peter Rehse 02:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this is right. Edward I did give Mortimer's guardianship to Gaveston. And Gaveston was NOT younger than Mortimer, he was probably Edward II's age or older, so at least four or five years Mortimer's elder. Missi 00:13, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

It is currently accepted that Edward II was in fact murdered on Mortimer's orders at Berkeley Castle in September 1327. The cited article in EHR is regarded as speculation and not fact.

Jeanne de Geneville

Jeanne de Geneville was not an "heiress" at marriage. Her grandfather, Geoffrey de Geneville conveyed most, but not all, of his Irish lordships at age 80 in 1308, to Roger Mortimer, and then retired, notably alive - he finally died in 1314! Geoffrey also conveyed much of his legacy, such as Kenlys, during his lifetime, to his younger son (the older son Piers having died in 1292), Simon, who had meanwhile become Baron of Culmullin, through marriage to Joanna FitzLeon. While Roger Mortimer did therefore succeed to the Lordship of Trim and which later reverted to the Crown), he did not succeed to the Lordship of Fyngal, which descended instead to Simon de Geneville (whose son Laurence predeceased him), and through his heiress daughter Elizabeth, to her husband William de Loundres, and through their heiress daughter, also Elizabeth, to Sir Christopher Preston, and thence to the Viscounts Gormanston.

Tyburn gallows

The picture dates from about 300 years after the death of Mortimer. I don't think that it is appropriate.

Amandajm 11:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Burial place

Accused of assuming royal power and of various other high misdemeanours, he was condemned without trial and ignominiously hanged at Tyburn on 29 November 1330, his vast estates being forfeited to the crown. Mortimer's widow, Joan, received a pardon in 1336 and survived till 1356. She was buried beside Mortimer at Wigmore, but the site was later destroyed.

In 2002, the actor John Challis, the current owner of the remaining buildings of Wigmore Abbey, invited the BBC program "House Detectives at Large" to investigate his property. During the investigation, a document was discovered in which Joan de Geneville petitioned Edward III for the return of her husband's body so she could bury it at Wigmore Abbey. Mortimer's lover, Isabella, had his body buried at Greyfriars, Coventry following his hanging. Edward III replied, "Let his body rest in peace."

So. Was Mortimer buried at Wigmore or Greyfriars? Isabella buried the body at Greyfriars, and Edward apparently refused Joan's petition to have the body moved, saying "Let his body rest in peace." But Joan was buried beside Mortimer at Wigmore. I don't understand. 160.81.221.42 (talk) 12:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes events from that period remain obscure: there were no burial registers them, and the place of burial is not usually specified in an Inquisition post mortem. These were only conducted for tenants in chief. Perhaps Joan arranged to be buried at Coventry to be buried with him. Clearly, unless, she managed to get the body moved later, either Joan was not buried beside her husband or not at Wigmore. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as Joan was buried at Wigmore beside her husband, she obviously managed to convince King Edward III to have Mortimer's body moved to Wigmore sometime before her own death in 1356.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:06, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Daughter Blanche or Blanch

The current BBC article on her tomb has her name as Blanch but the church itself uses Blanche [1]. Google turns up 'about 1,650 results' for "Blanche Mortimer" Marcle and only 'about 98 results' for "Blanch Mortimer" Marcle so I'd suggest we stick with Blanche. Cavrdg (talk) 13:45, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

What's that got to do with this edit? You can't take out an RS and just replace it with your OR. At minimum you should have replaced it with a new source. In fact, it looks like both variants should appear with two sources. DeCausa (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

War of Saint Sardos

According to this article "During the War of Saint Sardos the Regent and his queen spent over £60,000 bankrupting the Treasury, even after the proscriptions of Arundel and the Despensers." But according to our article on the War of Saint-Sardos, it took place in 1324, three years before Mortimer came to power. So what's the truth? Chuntuk (talk) 21:14, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

EVIDENCE

What did he do between when ""his adult life began in earnest in 1308, when he went to Ireland in person to enforce his authority" and being "appointed Lord Lieutenant of Ireland by Edward II on 23 November 1316." 86.40.62.150 (talk) 21:53, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Could we please have some EVIDENCE that Mortimer was the Queen's lover or that Edward II died on the traditional date, especially as Kathryn Warner's "Long Live the King" has cast serious doubt on both suggestions? Smlark (talk) 21:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

A Knight's Tale

This is not the Roger Mortimer mentioned in the movie A Knights Tale, which takes place during the time of Edward the Black Prince. Edward was an infant when this Mortimer was executed. Perhaps his grandson, the 2nd Earl of March. 69.92.60.56 (talk) 05:33, 7 July 2024 (UTC)