Talk:Ronnie Coleman

Wikiprojects US: LA / TX

I see that this article is listed under WikiProject United States, under the Louisiana and Texas subprojects. (Added with this edit.) Seems to me that this article is not directly connected enough to the topic of the United States to warrant inclusion. Unless there's a reason I'm overlooking, I suggest we remove it. In general, if WikiProject United States' banner were put on the biography of every American just because they are American, it seems like cruft to me. If it's the project's goal to keep track of places in the US were people were born, died, and work, it might be better for the project to utilize our category system or Wikidata. If there are direct relevant discussions about this, could they be linked? Courtesy ping: GuzzyG. Cheers, Jason Quinn (talk) 14:14, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

That's fine, the reason is the subject is born in Louisiana and grew up in Louisiana but spent their career in Texas, the Louisiana/Texas projects automatically add the United States project. Nearly every biography i have seen adds the country they have citizenship and the state/region they are from, especially in athletes as they tend to compete for them. Thanks for the ping, as far as i know there is no discussions, Cheers, GuzzyG (talk) 14:33, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

You make a good point about athletes. For athletes representing a country officially (as with Olympians) or maybe even for those representing a country unofficially (in international contests with limited entries per country) I can see why it makes sense. In bodybuilding contests, however, I think invitation is usually merit based and there's no constraints on the number of entrants based on nationality. For example, to qualify for Mr. Olympia, you have to win one of several other prestigious contests. That's basically it. So it doesn't seem to me that Coleman's nationality is particularly important. Even if they mention his nationality during the contests, he's not there on behalf of the United States. If various nationality Wikiprojects are being added to talk pages of biographies based merely on citizenship, it may be something that deserves a large discussion. Are the benefits of adding the banner to every biography worth the cost of adding clutter to the top of all their talk pages? I will leave it as is for now and think about it for a while. Maybe days. Maybe months. I dunno. I'll look for past discussions too. Maybe it would make better sense to add a |nationality= parameter to the {{WikiProject Biography}} template to avoid adding national Wikiprojects. Or maybe the categories are sufficient. I'll have to think about it. I know that some Wikiprojects, including Wikiproject United States, have had to deal with scope-creep in the past. Is this particular case an example of that? That's the line of thinking that needs to be addressed. Cheers, Jason Quinn (talk) 20:23, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I think that WikiProjects should be added if the subject has played a role in their area and in my mind citizenship is playing a role as a part in that countries culture, so i would stand on that side of the fence but either way in this case i don't see a solution, both WikiProject Texas and Louisiana are coded in their templates to automatically include the United States with them. Most states are like that except the big ones like California/New York. If that is to be changed that requires a site wide discussion i think, i am not too sure about how you could get it uncoded. I personally do not think this is an example of scope creep, as a persons country is an integral part of their life. Cheers, GuzzyG (talk) 00:14, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

By reasoning that "WikiProjects should be added if the subject has played a role in their area" this article could also belong to WikiProject Christianity or even WikiProject Accounting since according to the article he is a Christian and has an accounting degree. I'm sure he has "played a role" in many other wikiprojects' areas too. The question is whether the connection is strong enough to merit inclusion. Rather than relying on any connection, even possibly very tenuous (as with WikiProject Accounting) to allow inclusion, it is a better idea to only use Wikiprojects that are directly related to the article's notability or at least strongly associated with the subject. Both "directly related" and "strongly associated" require some judgment but it would function better than "played a role", which is far too weak and ambiguous. Unless an American has been active in politics, government functioning, or is known for something considered connected to America, I strongly disagree that citizenship alone means they've "played a role". Heck, a person could be a American citizen and moved abroad the second day of their life. Would such a person raised in Namibia have played a role in American culture? Jason Quinn (talk) 10:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

No and frankly that's why he is not in them. It is directionally related to being the top American bodybuilder. How is the country you're born in not a direct part of your notability? I've been on many biography talk projects and nearly each and every one has the persons country, if not that atleast the state or region they come from, in this case it is not possible to add Louisiana or Texas without automatically adding the United States template, so if you want the United States banner gone we need the states gone too, that is how the template is coded. How do you feel about this then is that not "overcreep" too? Now if he spent 15 years+ doing accounting professionally then yes he would qualify, like he does with Law Enforcement. United States has over 400, 000 articles with most of them being biographies so i do not quite understand why this one is being singled out. He'd be in WikiProject Namibia in that case. GuzzyG (talk) 14:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Regarding 'Physical stats' section

Most of this list is expendable. Some coverage of his size should be given but it must indicate when the measurements were taken and they must be supported by reliable sources. I've tagged it with the {{prose}} template. Jason Quinn (talk) 21:21, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Many missing details about his surgeries

A recent documentary suggests that there is important information relating to him that is not listed here, in particular, in connection with injuries he sustained body building. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.100.73.178 (talk) 22:03, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2019

Please change "Hey buddy" to "Yeah buddy" as this is the correct phrase that Ronnie Coleman uses. 198.37.200.10 (talk) 18:14, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 20:29, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2020

I want to add that Ronnie Coleman won the Arnold Classic in 2001 and that is not added in his list of achievements. The Arnold Classic is most often considered the SECOND most prestigious bodybuilding competition and is added to the other bodybuilder's pages but I do not see it here. I would like to add first place in the Arnold Classic in 2001 in his list of achievements. It even says that he won the 2001 Arnold Classic in the "bodybuilding" section of his page. Here are proofs that he won the 2001 Arnold Classic. Thank you for your time.

https://www.liveabout.com/arnold-classic-through-the-years-415161 HemorRage12 (talk) 23:54, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

If you go to Bodybuilding titles, what you are requesting is already there. I will add your source though. {{replyto}} Can I Log In's (talk) page 05:17, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2020

I would like the pictures to be changed. They are of Ronnie in 2009, which was 2 years after he stopped competing. It's not a good reflection of who and what he really was. If someone were to come to this page wondering about who Ronnie Coleman was and they saw those pictures they would not be getting a true visual look into what he was able to accomplish and his greatness. For all the topics to consider this, bodybuilding is most definitely one that should have pictures of bodybuilders as a priority for the page. Beautiful pictures of Ronnie in his prime would have a great positive impact on the reader's overall experience. I believe Ronnie deserves this! I'd be happy to suggest pictures too. Please let me know if I can provide them. My email is matthew.wolman@gmail.com. Thank you! 98.178.240.157 (talk) 02:43, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

If you have photos which are you own work and you are willing to license them for free usage, then you can create an account on Creative Commons and submit them there. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 04:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Regarding "Personal Life" Section

It is said in the Personal Life section that "In June 2020, Coleman revealed that he can no longer walk due to botched surgical procedures.[27] Saying that he may never walk again, Coleman blamed his problems on questionable surgeries and noted that his last 3 surgeries cost a total of $2 million."

While the source article https://fitnessvolt.com/29311/ronnie-coleman-cant-walk/ is from June 2020, its source is a video of his from October of 2018. From Ron Coleman's Facebook, he had another surgery on January 15th 2020 where he got out of surgery and was hoping to be able to do leg presses again.

"I am finally feeling a lot better after surgery. My surgery was yesterday around noon. The Dr Said he replaced both cups holding the titanium hook and then he put a cage around both so that I’ll be able to do leg presses without a problem. Y’all know I gotta do my leg presses to get these legs bigger. Because he said in 4-6 weeks I’ll be able to get back in the gym again. And y’all know, once again it’s on like a pot of neck bones. I can’t wait!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I'd suggest, at least, changing the date to match the original video instead of a misinformed article, or by making a note of this surgery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Engelgott0972 (talk • contribs) 07:53, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2021

Source link (#8) is not found: "Campbell, Elizabeth (April 10, 2012). "Appeals court rules Arlington sperm donor doesn't owe child support". star-telegram.com. Retrieved September 13, 2013." Gives error: Cannot GET /2012/04/09/3871461/appeals-court-rules-arlington.html . :) Justonedit (talk) 08:55, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:07, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Ronnie's Squat and Deadlift Weight

Where it states "squatting and deadlifting 800 lbs", this should instead read "800 solid-ass lbs", as that is the figure given by his coach in the video where he is pictured squatting the aforementioned weight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.225.118.10 (talk) 23:13, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2022

It is stated in the "personal life" section that Ronnie can no longer walk. Ronnie never lost the ability to walk, he lost the ability to walk without the assistance of crutches or a walker. Please at least add the word "unassisted" or add information from recent interviews to correct this information. 66.187.33.188 (talk) 19:24, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Done. Nice article, shows the dangers of overtraining and steroids consumption.--TZubiri (talk) 05:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Personal Website Link

The link to Ronnie Coleman's personal website DOES NOT go to Ronnie Coleman's personal website. Instead the link goes to a gambling website that may or many not be a legitimate website. 2600:1700:4260:35D0:4865:DCED:1F5A:3BA4 (talk) 17:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Removed. Thanks, OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:27, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Sources for off-season weight

FitnessVolt has an article describing a video in which Coleman states that he once hit 330 pounds off season. There is disagreement as to whether this figure should be used in the infobox as part of an off-season weight range. It seems shaky to me to use a figure that's not coming from a stat source (like bodybuilding.com), but I'm not a subject matter expert in this area and don't know if they same statistics standards that apply to other sports apply here as well. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:06, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'm a self proclaimed expert and historian in Strongman, Bodybuilding & Powerlifting statistics. I have contributed a to Wikipedia also and I'm quite famous in YouTube comments section for my detailed comments which often get multiple feedback and likes. As a long term fan of Coleman I have studied his life specially from 1990 to 2007 and I can vouch that his heaviest off season weight is a minimum 330 lb. For instance, take a look at this footage in 1998 where he was at least 325 lb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHBEn7Ij44s and then look at his size here in 2000: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R8lmIM8xQ0 The uploader (an ordinary man) has indicated in the description that Coleman was around 320 lbs which is only his guess and impossible to be true. In my opinion he must be a minimum 340 lb there. Therefore 330 in that video is very plausible. If you listen to guys like Joe and Ben Weider, Steve Weinberger, Dan Solomon, Dorian Yates, Kevin Levrone, Flex Wheeler, Shawn Ray, Jay Cutler to name a few, they have repetitively said how big prime Coleman was, specially when the likes of Jay, Dorian and Nassar El Sonbatty all were 305 - 310 lb range in the off season. Coleman was 25-35 lb heavier than the 3 of them 'on stage' and you can guess how much off fat he carried in the off season if you check the 2nd video above. Thank you for reading. Nir007H (talk) 16:51, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm not a subject-matter expert for bodybuilding, but I do know that for articles about other types of athletes (NFL players, etc), we use official sources for height/weight. We wouldn't change a players weight because they declared "I got on the scale this morning and weighed 250 pounds!" on a Youtube video. I do realize the bodybuilding is a bit different (in that two weights are commonly uses for stats), but using a weight based on a Youtube comment seems dubious to me. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

If you check Nasser El Sonbaty's page, his off season weight is correctly indicated as 315. However his heaviest on stage weight is 285-290. Ronnie Coleman onstage was 296 at the 2004 Olympia, 300-305 at the Grand Prix England, Grand Prix Holland and Grand Prix Russia. There is no way both of their peak off season weight are the same, when there was a 15-20 lb gap on stage. They were similar in size in 98, but in 03, 04 Coleman took the size game to the human limit. Nir007H (talk) 17:33, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Furthermore, if you watch Mitsuru Okabe's Ronnie Coleman - Relentless (Bodybuilding documentary from MOC), around the 4 hr 30 min mark, he weighs himself at 324.4 lb which was while training for the 2006 Olympia (which he lost the title). 2006 and 2007 were not Ronnie's peak. He was biggest and heaviest in 2003 and 2004. He started to downsize for the 2005 Olympia coming in at 21 lbs lighter than in 2004 as per the advise from Ben Weider. Nir007H (talk) 17:55, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

@Ohnoitsjamie I'd appreciate if you could response. Nir007H (talk) 11:15, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ohnoitsjamie Appreciate your response to the points I made above. Thank you. Nir007H (talk) 04:38, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2023

The opening paragraph is highly subjective and contains several statements which, in no way, could be substantiated. For example, it claims that Coleman is the “strongest bodybuilder of all time”, which is something that has not been validated. Please remove “making him the strongest bodybuilder of all time”.

 Not done: There are two sources cited for that statement. RudolfRed (talk) 01:04, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2023

I'm working with Ronnie's team and the page has a disingenuous link to a website that pretends to be Ronnie's. In the External links section, there is a link to the website Ronnie Coleman Nutrition http://www.ronniecolemannutrition.com/ that has nothing to do with Ronnie Coleman.

The external link should lead to https://ronniecoleman.net/ which belongs to Ronnie Coleman Signature Series® which is a trademark in the United States owned and operated by 8-time Mr. Olympia champion Ronnie Coleman and his team.

Please change the external link or provide me access to do so myself. Thanks Nikita Vdoveko (talk) 07:24, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

 Already done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:49, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Revert

Can someone revert my edits i messed it up. TheManTheyCallAdam (talk) 13:31, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

@TheManTheyCallAdam:  Done - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:39, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks You TheManTheyCallAdam (talk) 16:51, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2023

The article states that only Dexter has also won the Arnold Classic and Mr Olympia in the same year. Brandon Curry has also accomplished this same feat in 2019. 166.199.152.4 (talk) 14:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:26, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2023

Please change IFBB to IFBB Pro League Every page with IFBB Pro bodybuilders is referencing IFBB which is now a seperate federation 1egendk1ller (talk) 21:35, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@1egendk1ller:  Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Thriftycat ^{Talk • Contribs} 21:37, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2024

38.191.110.74 (talk) 04:41, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Ronnie Coleman Strongman Classic Bodybuilder

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jamedeus (talk) 05:05, 27 April 2024 (UTC)