Talk:Shabbos goy

This article was nominated for deletion on 30 July 2019. The result of the discussion was keep.

Some comments

There was a Yiddish song about a Shabbos goy. Any links to the lyrics?:)

"It is a beautiful image of reciprocal blessing." Isn't this POV? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.231.159 (talk) 10:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The last paragraph of this article reads more like a religious tract than an encyclopedia entry. Where's the NPOV? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.144.213 (talk) 12:45, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shwartza is quite derogatory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.97.195.2 (talk) 18:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Elvis Presley : Shabbos Goy

There are many references to a teenaged Elvis Presley performing Shabbos tasks for his upstairs neighbors. However he might not have been a Shabbos Goy because there is evidence that he would be considered Jewish under Jewish law through is maternal lineage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jny (talk • contribs) 02:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry is irrelevant. You belong to a religion if you believe in its creeds, follow its rituals, and regard yourself as belonging to it. Elvis had a wild mix of beliefs, but was mainly a Pentecostal Christian[1]. -- Stormwatch (talk) 11:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry is relevant. If according to Jewish law Elvis was Jewish, a religiously observant Jew would not be allowed to use his services, and would never do so as it would defeat the whole purpose. But of course, if the neighbours were unaware of his having Jewish ancestry,they might have asked him to give a hand as Shabbos Goy. 212.235.89.15 (talk) 06:37, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it is relavant, Elvis was hallakhally Jewish in every way according to every branch/movement of Judaism. --Teacherbrock (talk) 14:41, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly, but that doesn't mean you can remove relevant, reliably sourced material on him. Please don't do it again. Jayjg ^(talk) 02:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes "shabbos" is used and sometimes "shabbot" is used. Also, sometimes "Shabbos" is capitalized and sometimes not. Why? 184.153.71.204 (talk) 14:01, 10 March 2013 (UTC)-- [User: Fuerle][reply]

Article presents no inline citation

Many of the statements in the article are subject to interpretation.

For example....It is absolutely forbidden to ask explicitly for a non-Jew to do any Melacha. If however a person is sick to the extent that he cannot move out of his bed, then certain Rabbinic restrictions fall away - such as taking medication.

If however, the situation is potentially life threatening or life threatening, the Torah-prohibitions are subject to leniency, depending. For example, it is better to hire a non-Jewish taxi driver to take a woman in labor to the hospital.

In general therefore, we see that Generally you cannot explicitly ask a non-Jew to do any Melacha. Only in exceptional circunmstances. Hinting, itself is a problem, and only may be performed on certain Melachos....for example, you cannot hint to a non-Jew to turn on a light, if he doesn't benefit from it, however, only in specific circumstances.

In short, the article needs to have proper citations.

Dannyza1981 (talk) 20:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but it is not that easy to find good citations in English, and I would appreciate any help. Also, I wouldn't like to get into "hidden corners". There are a lot of rules and rabbinical instructions about how to keep the Sabbath, but we are talking here about a specific issue of hiring a "goy" to provide services to Jews on the Sabbath. DrorK (talk) 21:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Shabbos goy" as an anti-semitic epithet.

Hasn't the term been used quite frequently as an anti-semitic epithet directed at non-Jewish people thought to be "too nice" to Jews? If this is so, it should be mentioned here. -- 77.7.162.131 (talk) 00:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source? Bus stop (talk) 00:27, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Anti-Defamation League had an article on Gilad Atzmon where it was reported that he used it in such a manner. 68.46.42.9 (talk) 11:32, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. He used it in an ordinary metaphorical manner (which may be insulting, but not necessarily anti-Semitic). Staszek Lem (talk) 18:20, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Then a reference should be included as to the fact that it has a derogatory meaning when used in a certain sense, whether or not such usage is considered, "antisemetic", whatever that means, in regard to jews. (Noting that non-jew Palestinians, as well as most Arabs are semitic peoples.) 72.218.232.144 (talk) 17:28, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly every word may be used in a derogatory way. In any case, a reference to linguistic authority is required, per wikipedia rules, to confirm that derogatory usage is notable. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:31, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Elvis Pressley and the Fruchters

There are RS that Pressley and the Fruchters hung out and that the Fruchters influenced Elvis' music: [2], [3], [4] I think we can increase the section and include Elvis here and then have this as a DYK hook. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 19:48, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Article Title

Shouldn't Shabbos Goy be capitalized in the article (and the title) since it's a proper noun? See here [5] for example. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 01:03, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]