Talk:She Wolf (album)

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July 29, 2009	Articles for deletion	Speedily kept
September 24, 2013	Good article nominee	Not listed
October 13, 2013	Peer review	Reviewed
January 1, 2014	Good article nominee	Listed
January 7, 2014	Good topic candidate	Promoted
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Discussions:

RM, She Wolf (Shakira album) -> She Wolf, Moved to She Wolf (album), 8 August 2009, Talk:She Wolf#Move?
RM, She Wolf (album) -> She Wolf, Moved to She Wolf, 15 April 2013, Talk:She Wolf#Requested move
RM, She Wold -> She Wolf (album), Moved, 7 April 2023, Talk:She Wolf (album)#Requested move 7 April 2023

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: pages moved. I don't see any reason to disambiguate by gender; any further dabs can be made with hatnotes. Miniapolis 20:28, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

She Wolf (album) → She Wolf
She Wolf (Shakira song) → She Wolf (song)

– In regards to the album, She Wolf the album was viewed 40,348 times in the last 90 days; she-wolf the animal was viewed 2563 times in the same time period. In regards to the song, Shakira's "She Wolf" was viewed 11,432 times; the 1997 song was viewed 487 times. In both cases, Shakira's material is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, at the very least with the spelling of "She Wolf" without a hyphen. The album doesn't need the parenthetical disambiguation, and the song is the more prominent of the two and doesn't need to be further clarified with her name. WikiRedactor (talk) 19:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Right on both counts. I can't imagine "she-wolf" is a very likely search term for Gray wolf. (Besides, is there any evidence the term doesn't just refer to any female wolf?) --BDD (talk) 22:54, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose both restore the disambiguation page She-wolf (disambiguation) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) to being the target of She Wolf (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). The disambiguation page shows multiple songs by this name, so "She Wolf (song)" is incomplete disambiguation. We should not use ambiguous disambiguation. If the song isn't the primary topic, and it isn't since you're contending that the album is, then it should be properly disambiguated. PT does not apply to the song, since you're using it to argue the album is PT, so cannot be used to justify that move. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 23:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose both - per 65.92.180.137, (1) Oppose the album move since there are enough other "She Wolf" items capitalized on She-wolf (disambiguation). (2) Also oppose the song move since per WP:DISAMBIGUATION we do not need to establish a primary within the brackets, it serves no purpose. (3) would actually also consider proposing She Wolf (album) → She Wolf (Shakira album) since while She-Wolf (Jessie Mae Hemphill album) doesn't have a standalone article, it is notable, and that makes She Wolf (album) ambiguous. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:27, 29 March 2013 (UTC)(edit conflict)[reply]

If you feel the Jessie Mae Hemphill album is notable (which you haven't even provided a bit of evidence of), please, feel free to create the article and prove otherwise. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:51, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Status, there's no need for me to do this, notability exists in Google Books not in Wikipedia, so notability does not depend on creating break out forks from existing articles. The notability of Jessie Mae Hemphill isn't in question, the importance of her debut album is already documented and footnoted in the Jessie Mae Hemphill article's discography, breaking out that album and pasting up a cover jpg will not increase or decrease the notability of the album in print sources. Again I do think that the current title She Wolf (album) is ambiguous disambiguation. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:32, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support album, oppose song. I was actually thinking about requesting this the other day. The Shakira album appears to be the primary topic of the term She Wolf, however, with other songs called "She Wolf", I think that "Shakira song" is just fine. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:35, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The significance of female gray wolves, Canis lupus, prevents any recent pop culture from claiming PRIMACY for the terms, particular orthography notwithstanding. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:07, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support the album, not sure about the song. The case is made that the album is the clear primary topic.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:00, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Restore redirect

Re proposal to restore She Wolf from grey wolf back to She Wolf (disambiguation):

Support proposal of 65.92.180.137, "She wolf" should go to "grey wolf" (Canis lupus) as the dominant wolf species, but "She Wolf" capitalized should still be going to the she-wolf (disambiguation) list with the Giovanni Verga novel and Jackson Pollock painting etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:45, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with In ictu oculi, with she-wolf (disambiguation) having a prominent top line link, and top right Wiktionary link referring to the animal. Ambiguous terms should go to useful disambiguation pages. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:10, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support restoring the redirect; along with other proposals from IIO. Tiggerjay (talk) 06:51, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 April 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Material Works (contribs) 20:40, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

She Wolf → She Wolf (album) – Moved to current name in 2013. Ten years later, this album does not get a majority of pageviews, and I don't see its long-term notability ahead of all the subjects at the She-wolf disambiguation page. 162 etc. (talk) 15:12, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support move. Not the long-term primary topic. O.N.R. ^(talk) 15:33, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom, given the extent of other uses. BD2412 T 16:39, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, its obvious per other terms it could be confused for. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 17:42, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support the Roman mythology though lower case has more views (63,370) compared with 58,522 for this one and the Shakira song has 38,059 and the single has 13,913. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:42, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.