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On 13 June 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Sinatra in Concert to Sinatra in Concert at Royal Festival Hall. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 13 June 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Sinatra in Concert at Royal Festival Hall. (non-admin closure) :3 F4U (they /it) 07:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sinatra in Concert → Frank Sinatra: In Concert at the Royal Festival Hall – The proposed name is the actual title of the subject of the page, namely the TV Special entitled 'Frank Sinatra: In Concert at the Royal Festival Hall'. The page title as presently named is vague/ambiguous and could refer to Sinatra in Concert anywhere - it is not the title of the TV special which it describes. The Proposed title is used as the official title on: IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1087448/ For the DVD: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/frank-sinatra-in-concert-at-royal-festival-hall-dvd-1971/3679987.p?skuId=3679987 And on e.g. Apple TV: https://tv.apple.com/us/movie/frank-sinatra-in-concert-at-the-royal-festival-hall/umc.cmc.15oep11zpri1pbh1ojdmm6n2z - SacredLotus7 (talk) 00:30, 13 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:43, 20 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 01:57, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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*Support Sinatra in Concert → Frank Sinatra: In Concert at Royal Festival Hall without the word "the", per the DVD title. The BBC broadcast title was Night of Nights. It's not clear to me precisely what the CBS broadcast title was because the original listing of that has not been provided. Softlavender (talk) 01:52, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support different target. Move Sinatra in Concert → Sinatra in Concert at Royal Festival Hall, which matches the title cards [1], the U.S. TV title [2], and the majority of video/DVD covers (including the one the OP linked above) [3]. Softlavender (talk) 08:29, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Current title is both unambiguous and correct, both in terms of our article naming policy of course. Andrewa (talk) 00:13, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Sinatra in Concert at Royal Festival Hall per Softlavender. That title seems to be the closest thing to a WP:COMMONNAME, and the current title risks being confused with the general concept of Sinatra appearing in concert. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Original broadcast date is still unknown (Resolved)

Need to find and cite the original broadcast date. Probably from a publication with TV listings such as Radio Times or the standard UK newspapers of record. I haven't been able to find the broadcast listed in The Times digital archive. Softlavender (talk) 05:31, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I finally found it in The Times listings -- it was titled Night of Nights and lasted from 8:20pm to 9:45pm, which is 85 minutes. The listing reads "8.20 Night of Nights with Frank Sinatra, Bob Hope". Softlavender (talk) 06:29, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CBS broadcast has not yet been verified

I can't find it anywhere in Newspapers.com or in contemporary mentions in GoogleBooks, and it apparently didn't air on the purported date of February 4, 1971: [4]. I therefore do not believe this 2013 book (without citations or sources) we are using for a citation [5] is credible. Softlavender (talk) 03:20, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikitext moved from article till someone finds a contemporaneous report of it

... reportedly followed by being aired in the U.S. on CBS^[1] in February 1971.^[2]^{[dubious – discuss]}

^ "Royal Festival Hall on Screen | Southbank Centre | Frank Sinatra: In Concert at the Royal Festival Hall". www.southbankcentre.co.uk. Retrieved 2023-06-13.
^ Vincent Terrace (2013). Television Specials: 5,336 Entertainment Programs, 1936-2012, 2d ed. McFarland. p. 157. ISBN 978-1-4766-1240-9.

[1] "Royal Festival Hall on Screen | Southbank Centre | Frank Sinatra: In Concert at the Royal Festival Hall". www.southbankcentre.co.uk. Retrieved 2023-06-13.

[Terrace2013-2] Vincent Terrace (2013). Television Specials: 5,336 Entertainment Programs, 1936-2012, 2d ed. McFarland. p. 157. ISBN 978-1-4766-1240-9.

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