Talk:Smuggling/Archives/2012

earlier comments

Smuggling is the other face of mercantilism, the flexible counter-system that allowed colonial systems in the Americas, both English and Spanish, so strict on paper, to flourish. A history section has not even been begun here... --Wetman 19:33, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. It is important to remember that social attitudes to smuggling were different from today; the taxes levied on luxury goods by the government were seen as punitive and unfair (because, to be frank here, they actually were, simple as that). Their social status is shown up at Kinson in Bournemouth where the big Fryer grave in the churchyard gives the name of their in-law, Isaac Gulliver, and a man killed by the excisemen on the beach near Poole is buried openly in the churchyard (allbeit discreetly behind the church) with a rhyming elegy on his headstone. The customs would often complain that Gulliver's sloops were faster than their own; and one story I have read had a local bigwig entertain the Excisemen to drinks. When asked whether he had seen the smugglers they were chasing he denied having done so then a little time after they had left he looked into his back room and said to the smugglers "you can come out now, they've gone".

Part of the funny side of this is that the drink he offered the Excise men was probably contraband. Britmax 08:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Sentence in section "Legal definition"

At this time, the last sentence in the section "Legal definition" in this article does not make complete sense. It states: "Smuggling is a cognizable offense in which both the smuggled goods and the goods are punishable." Does anybody know what it's supposed to say?
H Padleckas (talk) 06:41, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Also, it looks like this Chowdhury fellow is just inserting his own stuff. Don't think that his work on smuggling is exactly "seminal."

Smuggling and Trafficking : Definition and presentation

Sorry, but it is totally false. This definition begins badly an article. There has to refer to international documents to see that the smuggling and trafficking are two different conventions! These definitions are also used worldwide since 2000. In fact, the definition of "naive" first, it was the work of smugglers, ie a sort of smuggling of persons as they shall retain their freedom, however, it is very important because the second, the trafficking in fact it is schematically slavery, and here we see what it is! I therefore propose that this definition should be reformulated more seriously, and in fact there is 2 different entries instead to refer to the same page. Meanwhile, as President of NGOs, I could not let this be against truth when in fact almost excuse the barbarity of traffickers yesterday as today. Furthermore, as regards the police and Justice is not at all similar to them either! Unfortunately, my English is very bad, nobody is perfect, and I am forced to go through the Google translation! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.235.74.88 (talk) 23:24, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Initial definition (and article as a whole)

The quality of this article as a whole is poor; one need not go beyond the initial summary paragraph to come to this conclusion. For instance, and I quote, "Examples of non-financial motivations include bringing banned items past a security checkpoint (such as airline security) or the removal of classified documents from a government or corporate office."

Is this for real? "..bringing banned items past a security checkpoint (such as airline security).." - umm, you mean like that *non-financial* heroin?!?

or,

"...removal of classified documents from a government or corporate office." - Of course, nobody has *ever* committed espionage, corporate or otherwise for financial gain ;)

This one needs a clean up. Daystrom (talk) 19:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

People smuggling

Human migration is not a new phenomenon. For centuries, people have left their homes in search of better lives elsewhere. In the last decade, the process of globalisation has enhanced the ‘push-pull’ factors which drive migrants’ desires to seek more gainful employment abroad. This has caused an unprecedented amount of migration from the least developed countries of Asia, Africa, South America and Eastern Europe to Western Europe, Australia and North America.

Criminal networks which smuggle human beings for financial gain increasingly control the flow of migrants across borders. Due to more restrictive immigration policies in destination countries and improved technology to monitor border crossings, willing illegal migrants rely increasingly on the help of organized people smugglers.

People smuggling is not a homogenous criminal activity; the price of the trip, conditions of travel and status upon arrival can vary significantly.

Trafficking is distinct from smuggling insofar as the traffic of human beings involves the exploitation of the migrant, often for purposes of forced labour and prostitution. People smuggling simply implies the procurement, for financial or material gain, of the illegal entry into a state of which the individual is neither a citizen nor a permanent resident.

It is acknowledged that the smuggling of people is a growing global phenomenon. It is not only a transnational crime, but also an enormous violation of human rights and a contemporary form of slavery. Currently, economic instability appears to be the main reason for illegal migration movement throughout the world.

Nevertheless, many of the willing migrants undertake the hazardous travel to their destination country with criminal syndicates specialised in people smuggling. These syndicates arrange everything for the migrants, but at a high price.

Very often the travelling conditions are inhumane: the migrants are overcrowded in trucks or boats and fatal accidents occur frequently. After their arrival in the destination country, their illegal status puts them at the mercy of their smugglers, which often force the migrants to work for years in the illegal labour market to pay off the debts incurred as a result of their transportation.

People smuggling syndicates still benefit from weak legislation, huge profits and the relatively low risk of detection, prosecution and arrest compared to other activities of transnational organized crime. This creates the need for a structure which enables police and other law enforcement agencies to co-operate on a global basis. INTERPOL fulfills that role, and considerable efforts are being made to develop the services which it can offer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.184.228 (talk) 01:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

edit 3 december

Will dedicated wikipedians please check the 3 december edit? looks highly fantastic...Super48paul (talk) 13:33, 3 December 2012 (UTC)