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Southern Pacific 4449 was a good article, but it was removed from the list as it no longer met the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.
Review: May 18, 2007.

GA nomination comments

Before this article can be listed as a good article, I think the following things should be corrected:

Lead section needs a bit of work - the first sentence is not clear at all to a layman. The last sentence cries out for a source. Overall it should summarise a bit more of the article's content, and should also cater for our international readership by stating which country the locomotive is in.
POV phrases such as 'They work hard to keep it running' need to be removed
Section headings should be capitalised like sentences - see WP:MOS. Worldtraveller 12:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments, I've addressed them as follows:

Expanded the lead to include significant bits of the locomotive's history, and to (hopefully) clarify the first sentence; removed the "most photographed" line since it was unreferenced.
Performed a copyedit to remove POV comments and clarify a couple points.
"Oaks Park" and "American Freedom Train" are proper nouns and should be typed in this manner. I've updated the other section headings.

Slambo (Speak) 20:02, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article Review

This article is currently at Good Article Review. LuciferMorgan 18:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been delisted per WP:GA/R because it does not meet GA criteria. Once it has been brought up to standards, it can be renominated. The biggest issue is lack of citations. Regards, LaraLove ^T/_C 18:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments added to article by Mrpoundsand

"My father, Ira Leamon Wilson, was one of the engineers of the 4449 American Freedom Train as it traveled through Georgia in 1976. He was an engineer for Southern Railroad now known as Northfolk Southern. These pictures are old and not of the best quality, but are an example of The American Freedom Train in it's Red, White, and Blue color scheme with my father as engineer coming through Georgia in 1976. Unfortunately I was too young to remember the locations in Georgia where these photos were taken, or the other men in the first photo. My father began working for Southern Railroad after serving in the Navy on the USS Biven in World War II."

Katr67 06:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Source for citations

ALL ABOARD! PROUD OL' SP 4449 STEAMS TO STARDOM IN RAILFAIR '91. The Oregonian, April 28, 1991, RICK BELLA. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New roundhouse?

I seem to remember reading the trains are going to be moved up near OMSI to a facility that has yet to be built. There's no mention of it in the article, though. Instead, it says the existing roundhouse facility is going to be remodeled and enlarged?...--98.232.176.109 (talk) 06:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes.The building has already started to be built, but the Oregon Rail Heritage Foundation is still raising money in the All Aboard! campaign. For more, please see [1]. P.S. Please put something on my discussion page if you get this. Jonathan is me (talk) 00:36, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The subject that an anonymous user at IP address 98.232.176.109 asked about was added to the article later, and there is even more detail in a new article (created October 2011) about the Oregon Rail Heritage Foundation, which is linked in the 4449 article. SJ Morg (talk) 19:42, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gender

I thought this version of Wikipedia was supposed to be in English ? We don't use gender for inanimate obects .... or if we do, they are universally "she" - ships, boats, airplanes. I've never heard a locomotive referred to as "he" and if so, even that is not consistent through the article. 73.83.43.194 (talk) 21:13, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've done what I could to remedy what I define as vandalism. If I've missed anything, I deeply apologise. MerscratianAce (talk) 14:46, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One exception to that rule may be tugboats, which I occasionally hear referred to as "he" ... no citations for that observatin though. 73.83.43.194 (talk) 20:29, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Horsepower in info box

I'm proposing to remove the horsepower line from the info box, since it's unclear what horsepower is meant (boiler, cylinder, indicated or drawbar). Given 4449's tractive effort drawbar HP is unlikely to be much over 4000, perhaps 4500 at most. That would put the indicated HP somewhere around 5400. Cylinder HP would be somewhat more than indicated, but probably not as much as 6500. So most likely that's intended to be boiler horsepower, which is not a terribly useful number (unless you're designing a locomotive). Or, on the otherhand, it could just be a totally made up number. Either way, as it currently stands it's not a helpful item in the infobox.