Talk:Spinning cone

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Did you know... that spinning cones are sometimes used to lower the alcohol level of wine made from grapes with a high sugar content?

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Just a note really - "spinning cones" get referred to a lot in wine literature, so while I can understand the logic in just incorporating this into the main steam distillation article, it works better for the wine folks as a separate article - it was touch an go whether to incorporate it into some kind of "Winemaking technology" article. FlagSteward (talk) 17:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Remove wine varieties

I believe that {{Wines}} should be removed from the bottom of the page, since the spinning cones have nothing to do with the different types of wine.

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Recent changes

In reviewing the recent changes done by User:Lskaliotis, I became concern at the "advert tone" that seem to make the article a sales pitch for spinning cone devises--especially with the majority of the material coming from a sales brochure for FT Technologies. While I would encourage improvement and expansion to any article, we must always be mindful of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines in particular WP:ADVERT, WP:NOT and WP:RS for the type of sources acceptable. In addition to finding independent 3rd party sources that are sales-oriented, I would recommend discussing on this talk page any extensive changes to the article. Myself and I'm sure other editors from WP:WINE would be glad to offer assistance in making sure the changes conform to Wikipedia's policies. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 04:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As the manufacturers of the equipment we found that the article was severely limited in only discussing the Spinning Cone Column in the application of wine. We also found several erroneous comments within the article that have have been put in print and are not technically correct. The wine application is a fairly minor area of application for this technology and does not provide the general public and users of Wikipedia an encyclopaedic view of the technology and its applications. Due to confidentiality agreements there are not currently many articles in the public domain on the technology and hence literature that is used to educate potential customers was incorrectly used and inserted. We are Currently in the process of making the article more neutral by adding references and removing sales pitch tendencies. We would appreciate if article would stop being deleted as we endeavour to make this more Wikipedia friendly. References where possible will also be included. Lskaliotis (talk) 04:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid that you have a conflict of interest with this article that is contrary to wikipedia's policies. Therefore it is not best to direct edit the article, especially when there is a commercial interest in what type of information is in the article. While I appreciate the intent to improve the article, I recommend posting first your proposed change and any 3rd party, independent referencing that sources the content. You may also wish to create a sandbox page at User:Lskalioti/Sandbox/Spinning cone where you could craft a prototype article and allowing other Wikipedia editors who do not have a vested conflict of interest review and then incorporate the changes into this article. Please see WP:COI for more info. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 04:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I for one have issues with the lead phrase of the section on the wine controversy, I do not think it should be removed but rather elaborated on. Perhaps vintners should consider If improvements in viticulture, as is often the case with progress, are desirable if they lead to sweet grapes that ferment into overly high alcohol wine and should 'improve' in a different direction, or hybridize existing cultivars with something lower in sugar.

If the issue is particularly problematic with dry wines perhaps they should not let the fermentation run to completion and find sweeter wines may be more marketable or at least a viable market segment, before investing what may be half of Wikipedia's budget into a spinning cone. (But what do I know, I am just an urban prep kid who hardly cobbles together a cup of juice - not wine! - from a seasonal harvested vine.)

If the issue is low-sugar varieties (like Riesling?) cannot be grown in warm climates like Australia, or California, or New Zealand, or, yes, Spain, or the Middle East, especially with global warming being a factor, perhaps long-term chilled earth agriculture may be part of a solution, though it may be an even larger investment for a small vineyard, especially prohibitive without a cave or suitable body of water nearby.

24.46.46.43 (talk) 06:19, 29 April 2022 (UTC)LeucineZippe[reply]

There have been several low- and reduced-alcohol wines released recently in Spain. These are referenced in trade journals and other literature and while perhaps of a 'marketing' nature for the winery involved, I feel the presence of such wines in the marketplace adds to the body of information on use of spinning cone technology, particularly in the EU where it is banned. I would welcome advice as to how such links may be appropriately inserted into this wiki page. (My feeling is that if a single winery is not predominant or favoured in the article the issue of inadvertent advertising is diminished)!! Comments please! I can post links to articles here if it would assist others in deliberations. talk —Preceding undated comment was added at 23:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]

If you can cite trade journal articles rather than marketing links, it's fine. What you added seemed purely like promotional text, to me. If the wineries you mention aren't notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles, there is no need to include external links to them, or even mention them by name. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:40, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Amatulic. If the information can be cited to an independent, reliable source apart from the wineries than than a neutral statement could be written and include reference to notable wineries like Bodegas Torres. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 03:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]