Talk:Stalker (disambiguation)

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this belongs in wiktionary (see Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary)

No, this disambiguation provides useful information to the reader.--DThomsen8 (talk) 12:54, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 16:09, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stalker → Stalker (disambiguation) – I propose that the primary topic of "stalker" is Stalking, and has been since the beginning of time; and that this page should therefore be moved to redirect to that title. bd2412 T 20:25, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Most likely. The film Stalker (1979 film) is a classic, but our article on it is a mess. Dekimasuよ! 21:52, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not having heard of it before, I am presuming that the film is about a person who is the victim of stalking - is that right? bd2412 T 22:06, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, the naming is based on Rudyard Kipling's character Stalky (who isn't a stalker). However, I'm still uncomfortable with the line of argument that a topic can never be a more significant usage of a term than that from which it derives its name. Dekimasuよ! 22:47, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. I believe that while it is not impossible for a media topic to eclipse the common noun for which it is named, it is generally unlikely. If the film were about a stalker, then it would just be perpetuating the importance of that common noun. Productions like the film, Rodeo, and the TV series Kung Fu would be examples of that. bd2412 T 22:53, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't have brought it up if I thought this was a "recentism" problem; the film is really highly regarded in film studies, etc. I went ahead and checked page views, and they're not too convincing: Stalker (1979 film) 31954 in the last 60 days, Stalking 57554 in the last 60 days, and while all of the ones for the film mean "stalker," only some unknown percentage of the hits for "stalking" came from "stalker." Thus this doesn't really seem like the primary topic based on page views. Although I'm still not inclined to oppose, it would be nice to have a separate hatnote for the film if the move request goes through. Dekimasuよ! 18:53, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Question - didn't stalking (hunting) as in Deer stalking come centuries before Stalking (harassment)? or Stalky & Co.? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:30, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Predators stalking prey came millions of years before that, but both are integral to hunting, and therefore do not seem to merit independent articles. Moreover, a person who stalks an animal in the course of hunting is called a hunter, not a stalker. If I tell you that "Joe is a stalker", you would probably have only one sense come to mind immediately. bd2412 T 02:16, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - There is a long established hatnote to deer stalking on the page for stalking. Gregkaye ✍♪ 12:32, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The idea of stalking deer, etc. is easily dealt with via a hatnote to the disambiguation page, as it's a minority use. The unadorned form "stalker" basically means one thing. Red Slash 00:57, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support, Its the primary topic, Gregkaye ✍♪ 12:32, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support I agree. If I hear that a person is stalking I would not even consider deer.--69.157.253.160 (talk) 01:18, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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