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DumZiBoT (talk) 18:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Gaudiya Weasel Words?

"Only the minor sect of Gaudiya Vaishnavas considers him to be the source of all incarnations,[2] and the source of Vishnu himself, or to be the same as Narayana. As such, he is therefore regarded as Svayam Bhagavan.[3][4][5]" It sounds like it was worded as retaliation for a perceived slight to non-Gaudiyas. " Minor sect sounds derogatory.holyinsaneone (talk) 01:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The concept of 'padmanabha' [world originated from the navel of un born] in rig veda is always connected to Viswakarma, absolutly not Vishnu. Even Sathapatha Brahmana is also telling about the 'Sarvahuth' done by Viswakarma. later in puranas Vishnu ,who was one of the dwadashadityas ,tied the knot with Lakshmi and claimed the attributes of Narayana [ hyranyagarbha] and Purusha. If it is not so , why the vedic Rsi didn't dedicate those riks [rig 10-81,82] to the vishnu. In Purusha sooktha ,the names given to the supream being and creator are Virad Purusha ,Viraja,Ishana,Viswakarma,Twostha and prajapathy. Incarnation is an easy way to snatch some one else's culture and wealth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.145.91 (talk) 16:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He is the Only One who bears the names of all Gods (Rig Veda Samhita 10.82.3)

etena sarve vyAkhyAtA vyAkhyAtAH - All names are names of the Lord. (Vedanta sutra 1.4.28)

carAcara-vyapAzrayas tu syAt tad-vyapadezo 'bhAktas tad-bhAva-bhAvitvAt - All words indeed primarily indicate the Supreme Lord. But this is known only to one who has realized the full truth of the Vedanta. (Vs. 2.3.15) Jan 82.208.2.200 (talk) 15:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good reply. The same Visvakarma Sukta says that only ONE GOD bears all names of devatas. The question is what is the identity of this Viswakarma, which is the name of this one God?

Purusha Sukta is also found in Taittiriya Aranyaka (3:12 and 3:13). Verse (3:13:2) says

hreeshca te lakshmeeshca patnyau | (hreeshca) Hree and (lakshmishca) Laskhmi are (patnyau) wives (te) to you.

This identifies Vishnu as Purusha of Rig Veda as per Taittiriya Aranyaka. Narayana Sukta says Sah Brahma, Sah Indra etc. etc. showing all names refer to Vishnu alias Narayana. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.241.207 (talk) 04:42, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Very PRO ISKCON/Hare Krishna

- - I was doing reseach and came across this and other hindu related article. I must state this....this page and others are sooo ISKCONish/Hare Krishna, it is unbelievable!*** —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.160.86.87 (talk) 09:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes this is the core belief of the ISKCON followers, as well as many other Gaudia followers, along with outer less popular traditions. However article is neutral. Regards (and welcome back Rd:-) Wikidās ॐ 14:23, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Some early schools of thought, such as Pancaratra in particular, refer to Vasudeva-Krishna (Krishna, the son of Vasudeva) as the source of all incarnations and as no different from the ultimate and absolute reality, and as non-distinct from Vasudeva and any other manifestations of the supreme self.[35]"

The author Gavin D. Flood's statements are highly erroneous in this context. The Pancharatra system of vyuhas of Narayana (namely, vAsudeva, Samkarshana, Pradyumna and Aniruddha) are NOT AT ALL related to the Avatara Shri Krishna, or His brother Balarama or His sons and grandsons.

This is common knowledge. It is pathetically embarassing that so many academicians make such obviously erroneous statements in their books. There is no indication in any of the Pancaratra texts that these words talk about Avataras such as Shri Krishna or His brothers or son or grandson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.241.207 (talk) 03:58, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Trimurti

Opening statement "He is the One eternal Supreme Being who is called Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva and the Trimurti" is in contradiction with the rest of the article, if we consider the Gaudiya teaching that Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva belong to jiva tattva, vishnu tattva and shiva tattva respectfully. So, God Himself may take the position of Brahma ( guna avatar ) only exceptionally, if there is no jiva tattva qualified for the job. Other than this, and the fact that Vishnu is God Himself, there is absolutely no other connection between Trimurti and Bhagavan Svayam and no place for Trimurti in this article. The quoted statement is awkward and I would ask for revision or at least a reference to a source.178.149.134.39 (talk) 13:15, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The supreme

Krishna is not a supreme god . The supreme mother rus parambika who created saambaa sada shiv trinity and entire things Arcsnp (talk) 18:09, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]