Talk:Swedish–Norwegian War

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On 28 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Swedish–Norwegian War (1814). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Name

There have been many wars between Sweden and Norway. The fact that the war in 1814 was a short Swedish campaign against Norway is not in dispute and is considered to be a neutral description. The Swedish wiki article has the translated name "The campaign against Norway"...Inge (talk) 15:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Casualities

The swedish page states fewer losses than the english page, does anyone have credible sources?

/Viktor Lindström

46.239.119.7 (talk) 07:43, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Artillery Establishment

The number of artillery batteries in the info box is far too small. I saw a note from an edit that stated that "the Swedes only had 100 guns in their whole army" and thus the number off 117 pieces was not possible.

Firstly, Sweden had far more than 100 guns in the fortresses around Stockholm alone. One ship of the line 3rd rate had 73 guns and Sweden possessed a number of these vessels. Where the "fewer than a 100 cannon" number came from needs to be cited and even then it is wrong. Secondly, four field batteries is about 12-16 guns for a force of two corps+. This is nonsensical. The Swede's were relatively well equipped in 1814, and no general would attempt an invasion with 43,000 troops, that must lay siege to several fortresses, with only a dozen artillery pieces!!! This number contradicts everything we know about the make-up of military units in the day. Moreover, the box says the Norwegians had 8 batteries, or twice as many guns as their much more well equipped foes. This does not add up.

A division's establishment is around 20+ guns, and corps level reserve artillery establishments even higher. Finally, Bernadotte had largely rebuilt the Swedish army in the years preceding 1813. He reformed them to model French establishments and used much of the war subsidies granted by the UK alliance to re-equip his units along those lines. And they are:

-Divisional artillery: Every division had a brigade of three or four batteries of 8 guns (six cannons and two howitzers) each. Total: 24-32 guns

-Corps artillery reserve: Each corps would also have its own artillery reserve, at the disposal of the Corps Commander, of one of more brigades, armed mostly with the larger, heavier calibre pieces. Total: 24-32 guns-48-64 guns.

Bernadotte more or less followed this establishment in 1813. 43,000 Swedish troops, which is roughly two corps, or four divisions, even if we permit half establishment vis-a-vis the French, is still around 80 guns. Moreover, Bernadotte was quite fond of grand batteries. At Dennewitz he established a grand batterie of 150 guns, and at Leipzig, 200.

-SJCreecy (talk) 15:38, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 20:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swedish–Norwegian War → Swedish–Norwegian War (1814) – Now that Swedish–Norwegian War (1099–1101) exists, this page should be move to a disambiguated title, and a disambiguation page created in its place. UtherSRG (talk) 18:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 12:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Srnec (talk) 20:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This article (1814) is favored over the other (1099–1101) by both "criteria" suggested at that guideline page. It is far more likely that readers are looking for this article on the 1814 war than the other, older one ("primary usage"). The 1814 war is also far more significant, giving rise to the modern Norwegian constitution and thus their National Day, among other things (greater "long-term significance"). As the primary topic, this article should remain at its current title, without the disambiguator (1814). The "for" hatnote is enough for disambiguation.

Further, checking the sources at Swedish–Norwegian War (1099–1101) reveals that that war has no clear name, with "Swedish–Norwegian War" appearing in none of the sources as far as I could see. The closest thing to a name for the war is "the Swedish war". [1] Since the other article doesn't have a strong claim to the title "Swedish–Norwegian War" in RSes, moving this article seems inappropriate. Toadspike (talk) 12:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Toadspike & PRIMARYTOPIC. SnowFire (talk) 02:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. See the comments of Inge at the top of this page. Srnec (talk) 18:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Relisting for more inputs. Reading Beans 12:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I don't think either war is particularly well known, at least not outside Scandinavia, so no primary topic. PatGallacher (talk) 00:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Toadspike, who lays out a convincing case that the 1814 war is the PRIMARYTOPIC, and whose claims held up when I examined them. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as sources show that the 1814 war is the primary topic - when I look it up the the main result is the 1814 war. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 13:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.