Talk:The Ballad of Hugo Sánchez

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Requested move 17 June 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved by rough consensus. Andrewa (talk) 02:56, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Ballad of Hugo Sánchez → La balada de Hugo Sánchez – The user Film Fan changed the name of the page without giving reasons or providing sources. The series was created in Mexico therefore the original title must be respected, since that is how it is known worldwide and the series is produced in Mexico. Previously this user tried to move the Cuervo Club page, but could not. Philip J FryTalk 23:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

User:Philip J Fry, please note that this could have been done as a technical request: WP:RM#Requests to revert undiscussed moves. Dekimasuよ! 03:44, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per my move rationale, WP:COMMONNAME and WP:UE. The series has been released worldwide as The Ballad of Hugo Sánchez and that's the title in English-language sources. Also, where something was produced is irrelevant to this discussion. — Film Fan 09:49, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The series premiered for the first time in Mexico with the title of "La balada de Hugo Sánchez" on Cinemex. It is irrelevant to say that it premiered worldwide with the title in English, just because you found a poster in English of the series.--Philip J FryTalk 12:37, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is nothing to do with "finding a poster". Please familiarise yourself with Wikipedia policy, which is to use the title most used in the English-speaking world, which Mexico is not part of. Thanks. — Film Fan 13:25, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Our rule here, when it comes to the titles of films or television series, is not that we have to use the original title in the original market — the actual rule is that we have to use the title most commonly recognized as the usual name of the topic in English language sources. Sometimes English sources do just stick with the original-language title, as in Y Tu Mamá También or Incendies, but sometimes they give it an anglicized title instead, as in Blue Is the Warmest Colour or Free Fall. But the original-language title is not what carries the day as the title of a film or television series page — the title preferenced in English language sources, regardless of whether that's the original title or an anglicized one, trumps the title in Spanish or French or German. Of course, we can also leave a film or television series at its original title if it isn't really getting any English-language coverage at all to make a determination either way, but that's clearly not the case here. Bearcat (talk) 17:27, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Film Fan and Bearcat. The English title is well-established in the English-speaking world. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:42, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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