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On 25 March 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Late Night Mash to The Mash Report. The result of the discussion was moved.

Mini Mash Report

There is also something called "The Mini Mash Report" [1] which seems to be a short version of the show which runs for about 10 minutes and includes highlights from previous episodes. -- 109.78.227.157 (talk) 20:21, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rename article, or two separate articles?

The Dave press release called it "a continuation of the successful show The Mash Report", and changed the title and opening credits and so on. Should Wikipedia have a single article about both shows as if they were one long-running series, under the new and current title, or two separate articles? Category:British television series revived after cancellation has lots of examples of shows that cover different channels in a single article, but I can't see any that changed their title in the process. --Lord Belbury (talk) 17:35, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Lord Belbury: see the discussion about these exact questions at WT:TV#The Mash Report naming. — Bilorv (talk) 19:37, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Abdul Muhammad1: as said by IJBall here, in a discussion you were aware of, you should not be moving this article to the title Late Night Mash without discussion. It's concerning that you've done this twice with no attempt at discussion or even a new rationale in the second move. — Bilorv (talk) 21:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Neil quote

@Rodericksilly: The Telegraph article quoting Neil links to the original tweet. Another user mentions Norcott in a thread about balance on the BBC and Neil says in response "For three minutes out of thirty minutes of self satisfied, self adulatory, unchallenged left wing propaganda. It’s hardly balance."

Without that context, it's modifying his statement that Norcott's appearance is "hardly balance" to suggest in an ungrammatical way that he has described the whole show as "hardly balance[d]". He obviously thinks this, but it's not a direct quote. Wikipedia can do better than effectively saying "Neil thinks the show is 'hardly balance' [sic]". --Lord Belbury (talk) 11:28, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, your version is a lot clearer. Given that Rodericksilly has not commented and that their edit summary implies they didn't understand the context of Neil's comments, I've reinstated it. — Bilorv (talk) 17:53, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, the Telegraph article doesn't provide "the context" of Neil's comments and that he was responding to a comment about Norcott, so that should be made clear and the tweet itself should be used as a source if the wording you prefer is being used. Rodericksilly (talk) 21:44, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Two Articles or One - Updated 2022 Discussion

This article's title was changed to Late Night Mash in May of 2022, by @Launchballer. Obviously, given the previous editor debates on the topic, this shouldn't have been done without some further discussion and some serious editing to the page, to make the distinctions between the two different shows clearer. But the page's situation had changed from the original discussion at this point, so it's no longer viable to just change the name back.

In all ways, Late Night Mash is being treated as a separate TV show to The Mash Report, regardless of it being a continuation of that franchise. The current season, that just began in 09/2022, is regarded by all valid sources as it's Season 2 not Season 6. I get that there's not much content here to spin it into two pages, but either we need to do that or the page needs to be modified to present information separately about each iteration of the show (kind of like the The Big Fat Quiz of the Year page, though obviously with less complexity). And if it is left as a single page, a redirect would need to be setup from "The Mash Report" to the modified article.

So, one article or two... Thoughts? CleverTitania (talk) 07:23, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right to look at the sources on this. I believe it's described as a "revamp" or "reboot" rather than a spin-off, and we have had shows continue on different channels with one article for the whole run, such as The Great British Bake Off. I'm struggling to think of a parallel where the show's name changed, though. Season numbers are a slight complication but it would be possible to host it all in one article.

I don't think I have a strong preference either way, but I'm happy to be persuaded. — Bilorv (talk) 09:20, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-establishment?

I can’t see the point of including criticism based on this being anti-establishment or left-wing. We have an exceptionally right wing conservative government, anything else would not be satire. Does nobody here subscribe to Lord Gnome’s esteemed organ? If you are a satirist, and sympathisers of the government don’t think you are the enemy, then you are not doing your job. 90.215.143.251 (talk) 00:49, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The point is that Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral, and thus to report all relevant viewpoints, not only those that we as editors may agree with. Also, if you censor the criticism, the other quote responding to "the criticism" makes no sense. (And by your own argument, the criticism even warrants inclusion as a positive sign that the show is doing its job.) W. P. Uzer (talk) 08:19, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 21:36, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Late Night Mash → The Mash Report – The show was named The Mash Report for series 1-4 on BBC Two, where it received the most reviews, media attention, ratings and social media attention. It was named Late Night Mash for series 5-6 on Dave, a more obscure channel with lower rating figures, where the show declined in attention until its cancellation and lost its original host in the process.

The move(s) to Late Night Mash were never really properly established with consensus (see talk page sections above), but with the cancellation it is now pretty clear that the show will never be more recognisable under Late Night Mash than The Mash Report.

I do not think a split/new article is worthwhile as the show (which continued in much the same vein) did not attract much attention under the new name. Pings for those who commented/moved the article and have edited in 2023: Belbury; CleverTitania; IJBall; Launchballer. — Bilorv (talk) 17:28, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support, with the caveat that if it is moved back, the article will have to be rewritten some – might be a good idea to put the Late Night Mash "reboot" in its own section within the article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:13, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, Second IJBall's caveat. As I'd already commented previously, it should be moved back but there needs to be more clarity on the two different iterations and their distinctions. CleverTitania (talk) 00:58, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, as explained in the nomination. W. P. Uzer (talk) 22:22, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.