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This article was nominated for deletion on 5 June 2018. The result of the discussion was keep.

Logo

The logo is badly distorted for me, perhaps because of the stippling and being resized into a thumb? Ewlyahoocom 23:36, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not defunct!

The web server that hosts Political Graveyard went down this afternoon at approximately 3pm EDT for as yet unknown reasons. It will be up again, I hope, shortly. It is not defunct, and changing the article to past tense is completely unwarranted. Kestenbaum 21:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I tried both external links, & neither worked. If this is in fact temporary, then please feel free to revert my edits. Just called it like I saw it. :) --Cheese Sandwich 22:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- In fact, I'll go ahead & do it... --Cheese Sandwich 22:13, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's back up now. Based on the http logs, the server was down from 16:15 to 23:34 EDT. Kestenbaum 04:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I've already reverted my changes. Sorry for the mix-up. Bad timing, eh? :) --Cheese Sandwich 04:09, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 08:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is The Political Graveyard a reliable source?

Moved RFC tag to the proper discussion over at WP:RSN

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Yes, keep it as a reference

Keep it appears reliable and properly curated.

No, delete all the references

(Add opinion here)

Previous discussions include:

Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_134 (2012)

RFC vs. Noticeboard

This RfC belongs at the reliable sources noticeboard. This talk page is for discussing the article, not the use of the website as a source in other articles. Please open an RfC at the correct place (where you already had started a discussion about this anyway), and close this RfC as invalid. Fram (talk) 14:43, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- I agree. This should be closed, and the discussion continued at WP:RSN where it started. Reyk _YO! 14:45, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
RFCs have binding rulings and official closures, the past discussions at WP:RSN did not lead to any binding ruling or even a closure. --RAN (talk) 14:49, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Then turn that discussion into a RfC. Fram (talk) 14:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So, if scholarly books and others cite a website, doesn't that say something about the site?

I ask because an editor mass-deleted the following:

Use as a source

The Political Graveyard been credited as a source in books such as The Marcus Garvey and Universal Negro Improvement Association Papers, Volume XI,^[1] The Negro Southern League: A Baseball History, 1920-1951,^[2] The Worst-Case Scenario Almanac: Politics,^[3] and The Millers and the Saints: Baseball Championships of the Twin Cities Rivals.^[4]

The website has been formally credited as source by The Politico,^[5]^[6]^[7] and The Suburban Times.^[8]

Conversely, The Blade reported on an error about the first mayor of Toledo that propagated to books published in 1895, 1898, to The Blade itself in 1958, to Toledo's One Government Center, tp the Arts Commission of Greater Toledo, to the cemetery where he is not buried, and furthermore to politicalgraveyard.com.^[9] XavierItzm (talk) 14:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Robert A. Hill (ed.). The Marcus Garvey and Universal Negro Improvement Association Papers, Volume XI: The Caribbean Diaspora, 1910–1920. Duke University Press. p. 390. ISBN 0822346907. Retrieved 12 June 2018. www.politicalgraveyard.com, 29 March 2005
^ William J. Plott (2015). The Negro Southern League: A Baseball History, 1920-1951. McFarland. p. 242. ISBN 0786475447. Retrieved 12 June 2018. Notes —Chapters 6 and 7 [...] Chapter 6 [...] 47. http://www.politicalgraveyard.com "Refermat to Reickenback" {{cite book}}: External link in |quote= (help)
^ David Borgenicht; Turk Regan (2010). The Worst-Case Scenario Almanac: Politics. Chronicle Books. p. 247. ISBN 0811873595. Retrieved 12 June 2018. Selected Sources [...] Political Graveyard (www.politicalgraveyard.com)
^ Rex D. Hamann (2014). The Millers and the Saints: Baseball Championships of the Twin Cities Rivals, 1903-1955. McFarland. p. 298. ISBN 0786474483. Biibliography [...] Websites [...] www.politicalgraveyard.com
^ ANDREW GLASS (26 February 2013). "Robert Taft Jr. born in Cincinnati: Feb. 26, 1917". Retrieved 12 June 2018. SOURCE: WWW.POLITICALGRAVEYARD.COM — THE TAFT FAMILY
^ ANDREW GLASS. "Charles Sumner dies on March 11, 1874". Politico. No. 11 March 2008. Retrieved 12 June 2018. Sources: United States Senate , PoliticalGraveyard.com and Doris Kearns Goodwin's "Team of Rivals."
^ ANDREW GLASS (17 March 2017). "Chester Arthur breaks Senate tie: March 18, 1881". Politico. Retrieved 12 June 2018. SOURCES: WWW.SENATE.GOV; WWW.POLITICALGRAVEYARD.COM
^ Tim Marsh. "Lakewood football field has had three names; here's history about the first". The Suburban Times. No. 4 October 2016. Retrieved 12 June 2018. –Sources for this story include first and foremost the amazing Lakewood history books by Steve Dunkelberger and Walter Neary: "Images of America: Lakewood" (2005) and "Legendary Locals of Lakewood" (2014). Other sources include, but are not limited to, liquidsearch.com, Seattle Times, Seattle P-I, gridironbeez.proboards.com, Wikipedia, historylink.com, Longview Daily News, TNT/Tacoma News Tribune, Southsoundtalk.com and Spokane Daily Chronicle, Tacoma Public Library, the Lakewood Log , a National Register of Historic Places nomination form, "History of Tacoma" and politicalgraveyard.com
^ ROBERTA GEDERT (7 January 2017). "Picture imperfect: Photo not of Toledo's 1st mayor". The Blade (Toledo, Ohio). Retrieved 12 June 2018. Both politicalgraveyard.com and genealogy.com state the historic mayor is buried at Woodlawn. Even Woodlawn's Web page gives the history of John Berdan the mayor

What about all the people who have discarded it because it is not reliable (including Wikipedia). Even the site's creator has said it contains errors. Your stuff is undue weight and tediously unnecessary. - Sitush (talk) 08:51, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Robert A. Hill (ed.). The Marcus Garvey and Universal Negro Improvement Association Papers, Volume XI: The Caribbean Diaspora, 1910–1920. Duke University Press. p. 390. ISBN 0822346907. Retrieved 12 June 2018. www.politicalgraveyard.com, 29 March 2005

[2] William J. Plott (2015). The Negro Southern League: A Baseball History, 1920-1951. McFarland. p. 242. ISBN 0786475447. Retrieved 12 June 2018. Notes —Chapters 6 and 7 [...] Chapter 6 [...] 47. http://www.politicalgraveyard.com "Refermat to Reickenback" {{cite book}}: External link in |quote= (help)

[3] David Borgenicht; Turk Regan (2010). The Worst-Case Scenario Almanac: Politics. Chronicle Books. p. 247. ISBN 0811873595. Retrieved 12 June 2018. Selected Sources [...] Political Graveyard (www.politicalgraveyard.com)

[4] Rex D. Hamann (2014). The Millers and the Saints: Baseball Championships of the Twin Cities Rivals, 1903-1955. McFarland. p. 298. ISBN 0786474483. Biibliography [...] Websites [...] www.politicalgraveyard.com

[5] ANDREW GLASS (26 February 2013). "Robert Taft Jr. born in Cincinnati: Feb. 26, 1917". Retrieved 12 June 2018. SOURCE: WWW.POLITICALGRAVEYARD.COM — THE TAFT FAMILY

[6] ANDREW GLASS. "Charles Sumner dies on March 11, 1874". Politico. No. 11 March 2008. Retrieved 12 June 2018. Sources: United States Senate , PoliticalGraveyard.com and Doris Kearns Goodwin's "Team of Rivals."

[7] ANDREW GLASS (17 March 2017). "Chester Arthur breaks Senate tie: March 18, 1881". Politico. Retrieved 12 June 2018. SOURCES: WWW.SENATE.GOV; WWW.POLITICALGRAVEYARD.COM

[8] Tim Marsh. "Lakewood football field has had three names; here's history about the first". The Suburban Times. No. 4 October 2016. Retrieved 12 June 2018. –Sources for this story include first and foremost the amazing Lakewood history books by Steve Dunkelberger and Walter Neary: "Images of America: Lakewood" (2005) and "Legendary Locals of Lakewood" (2014). Other sources include, but are not limited to, liquidsearch.com, Seattle Times, Seattle P-I, gridironbeez.proboards.com, Wikipedia, historylink.com, Longview Daily News, TNT/Tacoma News Tribune, Southsoundtalk.com and Spokane Daily Chronicle, Tacoma Public Library, the Lakewood Log , a National Register of Historic Places nomination form, "History of Tacoma" and politicalgraveyard.com

[9] ROBERTA GEDERT (7 January 2017). "Picture imperfect: Photo not of Toledo's 1st mayor". The Blade (Toledo, Ohio). Retrieved 12 June 2018. Both politicalgraveyard.com and genealogy.com state the historic mayor is buried at Woodlawn. Even Woodlawn's Web page gives the history of John Berdan the mayor

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