Talk:Time in Finland

Incorrect caption

The caption for the photo in the "Time in Finland" infobox states

The Helsinki University Observatory, where Finland's local mean time is measured

But the web page for the observatory indicates it is now the visitor center for a museum. It seems that nothing is measured there anymore. Even if local mean time measurements were resumed (highly unlikely) they would only apply to the longitude of the observatory and not be suitable at other locations within Finland. Jc3s5h (talk) 14:41, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this up! It used to be "where Finland's local mean time is based" to indicate that the local mean time had once been calculated there, but was later changed to measured as the word was more descriptive. I have gone ahead and changed 'is' to 'was', hopefully that should look alright? 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 15:00, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't see any source to support the idea that the observatory ever conducted or disseminated time measurements. Jc3s5h (talk) 22:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

What about the sources cited in the article?

Aika mitattiin Helsingin yliopiston observatoriossa [The time was measured at the observatory of the University of Helsinki]

— Citation 2, Heikki 1999, p. 81

[note this is a table listing mean times of countries and where they were measured] Helsingfors, Finland  • University Observatory

— Citation 4, Maskelyne 1934, p. 688

𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 22:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

OK, I see there was a mean time observed in 1862 for use by the railroad. I also see that time observations were being made at the University in 1934, but by that time the country was observing standard time (2 hours ahead of UT), not local mean time.

I also notice the passage "In 1862, the mean time UTC+01:39:49.2 was adopted for the railway." But UTC was not introduced until 1960. A general symbol for time scales similar to UTC is UT. I will fix this error. Jc3s5h (talk) 00:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

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Hey, 67.187.73.94. I have seen such commas used a lot in GAs and even FAs that are written in British English. Also, some of the changes you made were originally discussed during this article's GA or FA reviews, such as "observing daylight saving time would provide economic benefits (the later light in the evenings means less energy consumption) and limit food consumption": The sentence was originally similar to your edit, but an FA reviewer suggested to me that it be made more descriptive so that less-informed users could better understand it, which in my opinion is a better sentence. Similarly, you removed all alt= without explanation, among large chucks of 'Notation' and the infobox image caption. Mind explaining your edit? Thanks in advance! 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 22:25, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Please review my <--hidden text--> and click the "ce" and "see also" edit summaries. --67.187.73.94 (talk) 01:26, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

p.s.

WP:COMMAS is an essay, not a policy, and IMO your edit removing the commas appears to be a personal preference rather than a necessity. I am not familiar with alt text—perhaps you are correct that they might constitute decorative images. Also, could you please answer my other questions and explain the other content you removed? 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 01:46, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

"IMO" noted. Remind me what those other questions are ("large chunks"? "other content"?) and I'll try. 67.187.73.94 (talk) 02:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

The image caption: "where Finland's local mean time was measured" and "The use of colon is also common especially in relation to telecommunications and digital clocks, but is not recommended in normal text."? 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 16:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

IMO the first four words (alone) of the present caption are sufficient, as is the entire Notation section (sans the third sentence). Oh, by the way ... are we sure about their yhdysviivat ja viivat (hyphens and dashes)? Whatever ... --67.187.73.94 (talk) 21:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

My thought is that it might not be immediately obvious to readers what significant connection the Helsinki University Observatory holds in regards to timekeeping in Finland, considering it simply looks like a random observatory. I would probably agree with you on its removable if it the Observatory was mentioned in the lead. As for their hyphens and dashes I am not sure… In fact, it was a Finnish-speaking editor who added the bulk of said section. Perhaps it might be possible they made a simple mistake, although I would be more inclined to trust a Finnish speaker than machine translation like Google Translate or (more advanced) DeepL. Aside from that, I would be fine with the rest of your edit to 'Notation' as to not make the section overly descriptive. Also, the change to the sentence about the European Timetable Conference looks good, sorry for reverting that as well! 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 21:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)