Talk:Tourism on the Moon
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Protection of historical lunar landing sites
[edit]There is something this article totally fails to take into account. Existing lunar landing sites are considered by many to be historical sites which need to be protected and preserved; this means not allowing "tourists" to tramp around in spacesuits, disturbing them. Check this out, from the Tranquility Base page:
Interest in according the site some formal protection grew in the early 21st century with the announcement of the Google Lunar X Prize for private corporations to successfully build spacecraft and reach the Moon; a $1 million bonus was offered for any competitor that visited a historic site on the Moon. One team, led by Astrobotic Technology, announced it would attempt to land a craft at Tranquility Base. Although it canceled those plans, the ensuing controversy led NASA to request that any other missions to the Moon, private or governmental, human or robotic, keep a distance of at least 75 meters (246 ft) from the site.[1]
Also, consider how NASA was scandalized by the commercialization of the Fallen Astronaut sculpture. Do you really think the same agency will be willing to endorse tourist trips to see this (and trample the Apollo 15 landing site?) JustinTime55 (talk) 21:24, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- @JustinTime55: Thanks for your concern, this article is very new, it is in development process, you are welcomed to improve this article in positive way as you also seem to be interested in WikiProject Spaceflight. You said, " Existing lunar landing sites are considered by many to be historical sites which need to be protected and preserved; this means not allowing "tourists" [to tramp around in spacesuits, disturbing them." -- include my complete quote, please JustinTime55 (talk) 21:12, 25 August 2015 (UTC)] Ok. One can see hundreds of "protected" sites on Earth, isn't they are "tourist" sites? "Protectet sites" doesn't mean that "tourists" are not allowed there. "Protected sites" means "no other construction is allowed there or no other spaceship can land there" etc. Tourists can see that from some distance. Do you think that when tourists will visit Moon they will come back to Eath without seeing "historic Moon landing sites", "remains of old missions"? Tourists from USA would obviously like to see that flag of USA on Moon, tourists from India will like to see Moon Impact Probe which first time discovered water on Moon and it also has print of flag of India on it. Same applies to Chinese rover and missions of other nations. They will obviously watch it.--Human3015Send WikiLove 03:03, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- You have basically avoided the point of my post by diverting it in another direction. The subject of government protection of the sites certainly has to be noted in this article. The fact remains, the US government won't be very happy if some private company lands people there with no prior restrictions, allowing them to trample all over the Apollo landing sites. (No, it doesn't just mean "no other construction is allowed there or no other spaceship can land there" etc.; it means no one should walk within 75 meters. And this was for the smallest landing site, Apollo 11. Where would you define the barrier for Apollo 15, which was much larger because of the car the astronauts drove on the Moon?) Barriers would certainly have to be set up. And imagine paying three quarters of a billion dollars ($750 million) to look through a telescope at a three-inch (8.5 centimeter) metal Lego figure and a sign with some names on it; who in his right mind would do this, when he can just click on the pictures in Wikipedia? JustinTime55 (talk) 21:12, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
References
- ^ Chang, Kenneth (January 10, 2012). "To Preserve History on the Moon, Visitors Are Asked to Tread Lightly". The New York Times. Retrieved January 11, 2012.
- @JustinTime55: Just to reply this. US government or any other individual government can't make laws for Moon. US government can't restrict someone from entering on any site on Moon. Read Common heritage of mankind. Moon and other solar bodies are common property of Mankind. It is just in good faith that no one will destroy historic sites on Moon. Otherwise no nation can restrict other nation for doing any research on Moon at any site. Laws of individual nations are not applied on Moon, Mars, Asteroids etc. It should be global decision to protect sites on Moon, one individual country can't decide laws of Moon, all this is according to UN conventions.--Human3015Send WikiLove 22:14, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Categorizing Fallen Astronaut as a lunar tourist site
[edit]Off-topic discussion of Categorizing Fallen Astronaut as "Tourism on Moon."
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This subtopic was created as a diversion of the previous one to an issue relevant to another page, not this one. It was moved to Talk:Fallen Astronaut#Categorizing Fallen Astronaut as a lunar tourist site. Please continue any discussion there, not here.
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DYK
[edit]@JustinTime55: Hi, I don't want unnecessary rift with you. We both work on WikiProject Spacefight and our thinking should be more sensible. We can't edit war for simple things. I want to nominate this article for "Did you Know". We can nominate our names as author. Tomorrow is last day to nominate it as tomorrow article will complete its 7 days. We just have to improve article to some more length, Thanks for your recent contribution. Are you interested in contributing more to this article? --Human3015Send WikiLove 17:27, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know that I have enough time available to devote to Wikipedia to be able to find sources of good, verifiable information (that doesn't violate WP:CRYSTAL about future events) to get a halfway decent article in the remaining 2 days. And even then, I'm not optimistic the result will be good enough for the DYK committee. Thanks for the offer; I wish you luck. JustinTime55 (talk) 18:06, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Deleted "Possible attractions" section content
[edit]Recently User:JustinTime55 removed a large fraction of the "Possible attractions" section for WP:OR - below is the content of the section as of 22 September 2016 as I think it might be useful / reincluded later: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixuture (talk • contribs) 12:04, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
"Possible attractions" section as of 22 September 2016
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Possible attractions[edit]Two natural attractions would be available by circumlunar flight or lunar orbit, without landing:
Other possible attractions include:
Commemorations on the Moon[edit]There are remnants of several missions left on the Moon:
References
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Moon Laws
[edit]The Moon Agreement of 1979 is the last in the initial series of Space Law treaties. (Nelson, 2011) As the Legal Sub-committee explains and processes the treaty they made sure to emphasize preserving the environment. (Bogaert, 1981) The 1979 Moon Agreement enshrined the principle of the common heritage of humankind in space law. As of 2023, the Moon Agreement has been ratified by fewer than 20 countries. (de Azevedo, 2023) Now a brave new age is here, but the law is not ready. Outer space is rapidly becoming the domain for industrial-scale private-sector innovation and entrepreneurship. (Lee 2023) A commercialized Moon would require the United States to assert legislative jurisdiction (U.S. federal law taking effect), exercise adjudicatory jurisdiction (personal jurisdiction over persons and property and subject matter jurisdiction regarding controversies that arise), and install a governing body physically on the Moon. (Lee 2023) The new laws of the moon are not set in place but can be seen in the future.@
Nelson, T. G. (2011). Evaluating the 1979 Moon Agreement: THE MOON AGREEMENT AND PRIVATE ENTERPRISE: LESSONS FROM INVESTMENT LAW. ILSA Journal of International & Comparative Law, 17, 393.
Van Bogaert, E. (1981). The Moon Treaty : Achievements and Future Problems. Studia Diplomatica, 34(6), 655–673.
de Azevedo, J. M. (2023). Regulating Space Resource Activities in a Fair and Equitable Manner: Understanding the Principle of Common Heritage of Humankind in Space Law. ERIS - European Review of International Studies, 10(3), 375–400. https://doi.org/10.1163/21967415-10030006
Lee, A. Y. (2023). The Future of the Law on the Moon. Journal of Air Law & Commerce, 88(1), 3–103. https://doi-org.uno.idm.oclc.org/10.25172/jalc.88.1.2 ]
Hobe, S. (2023). Commentary for the Journal of Air Law and Commerce on the Article by Andrew Lee Entitled The Future of the Law on the Moon. Journal of Air Law & Commerce, 88(1), 223–226. https://doi.org/10.25172/jalc.88.1.7
Freeland, S. (2010). Fly Me to the Moon: How Will International Law Cope with Commercial Space Tourism? Melbourne Journal of International Law, 11(1), 90–118.
Harrington, A. J. (2023). From Geopolitics to Lunapolitics: A Response to Lee’s the Future of the Law on the Moon. Journal of Air Law & Commerce, 88(1), 211–221. https://doi-org.uno.idm.oclc.org/10.25172/jalc.88.1.6
Vasilevskaia, E. G. (1972). The Development of the Moon: Some Prospects for Regulation By Law. Russian Politics & Law, 10(4), 362–376. https://doi-org.uno.idm.oclc.org/10.2753/rup1061-19401004362 Tara.goolsby (talk) 05:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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