Talk:Tove Jansson/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ljleppan (talk · contribs) 09:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Chiswick Chap, I'll be reviewing this article over the next few days. Based on an initial skim-reading, I'm not anticipating any significant hurdles. As this is only my second time reviewing, please let me know if you feel I'm going out of scope. You'll find a few initial sourcing notes below. In general, I'd prefer if any discussion about individual comments formed a thread below that comment. In simple cases just prefix the notes with Y {{tick}} to indicate they are handled; no need to reply "done" to each point. -Ljleppan (talk) 09:09, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! I'll help as I can. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the very fast progress on this! I should have a spot check of the sources complete by around this this time tomorrow. Ljleppan (talk) 13:47, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick update: I started on the ref checks, but a work matter is requiring more time than expected; should be done with refs by this time tomorrow. Ljleppan (talk) 17:13, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chiswick Chap: Thanks for your patience, I finally had the time to wrap up the referencing checks; see notes below. I also added a few notes to "Lede and infobox" and "Works". -Ljleppan (talk) 18:32, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ljleppan: Many thanks! I believe I've actioned everything now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chiswick Chap: looking good w/r/t refs. In the last round, I also added (somewhat sneakily, I concede; sorry) one point under § Lede and infobox and two under § Works, could you check those too? The professorship, especially, I view as rather important. Once those are done I'd imagine this is ready for a pass. Ljleppan (talk) 16:36, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chiswick Chap: I see all comments have been addressed, so I've added a closing note and promoted the article to GA. Nicely done. With the review completed, if you have any comments/tips for me on the review process (as this is only my second time), they'd be much appreciated. You can leave them on my talk page to not clutter this review page. Ljleppan (talk) 11:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Initial notes

Y Slightly skeptical of using IMDB as a source, would look a lot better if something else was used instead. I believe both Tove and Tuuti Euroopassa and Haru, the Island of the Solitary could be sourced instead to the relevant KAVI entries in finna.fi: [1] [2]
- Good idea, done.

Y The scope of refs in the family tree in § Personal life §§ Family is slightly unclear, e.g. does [36] apply to everything between it and [35]?
- Removed the tree, put ref in the text.

Y Ref [33] is slightly awkward, being an undated documentary that would be rather hard to track down to verify the content. The fi.wp article claims that while she had both lung and breast cancer, he would have also suffered from a difficult case of Intracranial hemorrhage which made her hospital-bound until her death a few months later. Finnish newspapers seem hesitant to attribute any specific cause of death.
- Removed the mention.

Lede and infobox

Y I understand the lede is organized chronologically, but the results feels a bit off with e.g. Moomin discussed both at start of paragraph 2 and at end of paragraph 3. Consider whether reordering as thematic paragraphs would work better.
- Repositioned the sentence.

Y At Her Moomin stories have been adapted..., mention that they've also been adapted to movies and animated series.
- Added.

Y Are the refs needed in the lede?
- There's only one, to protect the adjective, and yes, that's necessary.

I meant refs [1-3] in the second paragraph of the lede at For her work as a children's author she received the Hans Christian Andersen Medal in 1966;[1][2] among her many later awards was the Selma Lagerlöf Prize in 1992.[3] The claims appear to also be cited in § Awards.
- Yes, ok, we can probably manage without those. With less famous people, claims to awards do get challenged sometimes.

Y The Finnish version of the NBF article [3] states she was given a professorship in 1995; sounds important enough to mention. The text is unfortunately a bit unclear which institute gave it.
- Added to the list of Awards (below). It's correctly implied that it was Åbo Akademi.

Early life

Y I'm slightly skeptical of ref [5], consider instead citing e.g. the more authoritative National Biography of Finland entry by Ahola (assuming it has the same information).
- Done. A reliable source, but Ahola has it too.

Y Other sources are much more hesitant to attribute a direct link between Jansson and Söderskär, see e.g. [4]. If retained, Helsinki this week could use an archive url, being unavailable.
- Edited and archived.

Works

Y Mention that the Moomin adaptions include movies and tv series at least briefly. Moomin (1990 TV series) would be good to wikilink.
- Done.

Y It is a work of charm, subtlety and simplicity sounds off for wikivoice. If a quote, indicate as such.
- Removed.

Y Ref [23] is awkwardly placed, can it be moved to end of sentence?
- It's used twice, once at the end of the paragraph, and once to protect a quoted adjective, where it is certainly needed.

Protecting the adjective is fine, it just looks a bit funky on the second-to-last word of the sentence. Not a blocker.

Y Was Jansson directly involved with Kuusisto's Moomin opera? If yes, it would be good to say how. If not, consider bundling this in with the other adaptions.
- Renamed and extended the section.

Y At ...were revised by Jansson and republished. I'd like a ref for "revised". The natural question a reader would have is also "revised how?"
- Cited, and added a note on her revisions.

Y At Sundmark suggests... introduce who Sundmark is.

He's introduced a little earlier in the same paragraph.

Personal life

Y Nitpicky, but ref [34] doesn't actually verify parents' and brother's place of burial.
- Yes. Removed.

Cultural legacy

Y In ref [36], I believe sv. haven translates as "sea" rather than "harbor"
- Hadn't spotted that one. hav is the sea, yes. Someone (not me) took a wild-arsed guess. They didn't know that -en was the definite article, either.

Y After the Kalevala and books by Mika Waltari, they are the most widely translated works of Finnish literature. needs a source.
- Removed. Could sort of be sourced but.

Y There is (was?) also a Moomin-themed park in Japan, see [5]; perhaps worth mentioning?
- Added.

Y Wikilink or explain obverse, or alternatively use "front".
- Linked. It's the term of art.

Referencing

Some issues from spot checks of references:

Y At At age 14, Jansson wrote and illustrated... [6] fails to verify "illustrated". Can be instead cited to Ahola (2008) which verifies the info.
- Fixed.

Y At ...and features a young orphan looking for a mother as one of its primary characters. Following this book, Jansson stated that she "couldn't go back... and surrounding, [16] covers the quote of the latter sentence, but the end of previous sentence is uncited from [15] onwards. In general, the scope of ref 15 is a bit ambiguous.
- Removed the gloss as unnecessary.

Y At Tove Jansson worked as an illustrator and cartoonist..., "1930s" should be "1929", ref states Tove Jansson enrolled in the Stockholm School of Art and Drawing in 1930, but she had started contributing to Garm a year earlier. Could also state that she stopped contributing because the magazine ended, text currently implies some other reason.
- Done.

Y At In The Spectator's view, Jansson made Hitler a preposterous little figure, self-important and comic., add quotation marks.
- No, this is a paraphrase.
  - Ref says Hitler and Stalin appear as preposterous little figures, self-important and comic, I'd hardly call a difference of a single letter a "paraphrase".
    - Quoted.

Y Ref [22] does not verify Jansson also produced illustrations during this period for the Christmas magazines Julen and Lucifer (just as her mother had earlier) as well as several smaller productions.
- Removed.

Y In the para starting In 1952, after Comet in Moominland and Finn Family Moomintroll had been translated into English, a lot of the detail is not verified by [23]. I think I saw the same info in one of the other refs, but can't for the life of me remember which one.
- I've cut it down to what [23] covers (and added some more detail from there); when either of us finds the other source we can add the other text back again.

Y At ...changing style from the classical impressionism... et seq. I'm not seeing her style being explicitly described as "impressionism" in the ref, but this might be my lack of arts knowledge speaking. Same with "abstract modernist style".
- Removed.

Y At She exhibited during the 1930s..., I can't locate where the ref says she exhibited during that time, only that she studied art.
- Cut.

Y At Several stage productions have been made... et seq., I can't find the 1949 theatrical production in [2]. Ref [5] says the production was in "Svenska Teater", which could also be Swedish Theatre in Helsinki.
- Added the ref. Same place, certainly.

Y He was the inspiration for the Moomin character Snufkin. is verified by [32], but the ref is currently rather detached from the claim.
- Repeated ref for clarity.

Y At In January 2016, a permanent... et seq., [5] only talks about one unnamed mural. I think you can just replace the first ref to [5] with [48] as verifies all the content in the paragraph up to that point.
- Done.

Y However, [48] doesn't seem to actually verify the three sentences starting from Jansson painted an image of herself....
- Removed.

Y Refs 13 and 14 can be merged, as can 2 and 15.
- Done.

Y Refs 12-14 are bare urls.
- Fixed.

Some of the refs are dead or have moved, and should have their urls updated and/or have archive-urls set:

Y [2] moved to https://kansallisbiografia.fi/english/person/1395
- Updated and archived.

Y [16] moved to https://ew.com/article/2001/07/27/moomin-struck/
- Updated and archived.

Y [19] looks to have moved to https://www.spectator.com.au/2017/11/a-chance-to-see-the-moomins-creator-for-the-genius-she-really-was-tove-janssons-reviewed/ and is paywalled, but archive.org has an unpaywalled version.
- Archived.

Y [56] opens up, but displays a broken page.
- Removed URL.

Y [59] either moved or deleted.
- Removed.

Y [18] is a master's thesis (known as "pro gradu" in Finnish universities), is it crucial? See WP:SCHOLARSHIP.
- Removed.

Y What makes [34] RS? Based on my limited Swedish, it looks to be a personal website.
- Removed.

Y For [34] and [35], Cederström and Tanner are the directors of the films. Finna attributes the entries themselves to "National Audiovisual Institute".
- Fixed.

Closing notes

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Article has clear, MOS-abiding and neutral prose and is of suitable level of detail covering all important aspects without straying into minutiae. Sources checked by sampling: no major issues, minor problems were addressed above as identified. I couldn't access some of the book references, but see no reason to doubt them based on the rest. No OR as far as I can see. Suitable images that all either free or tagged with a free use rationale. Passing as GA. -Ljleppan (talk) 11:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]