Talk:Vanniyar

WARNING: ACTIVE COMMUNITY SANCTIONS

The article Vanniyar, along with other pages relating to South Asian social groups, is designated by the community as a contentious topic. The current restrictions are:

Consensus required: All editors must obtain consensus on the talk page of this article before reinstating any edits that have been challenged (via reversion). This includes making edits similar to the ones that have been challenged. If in doubt, do not make the edit.

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be sanctioned.

Remedy instructions and exemptions

Enforcement procedures:

Violations of any restrictions (excluding 1RR/reverting violations) and other conduct issues should be reported to the administrators' incidents noticeboard. Violations of revert restrictions should be reported to the administrators' edit warring noticeboard.
Editors who violate any listed restrictions may be blocked by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offense.
An editor must be aware before they can be sanctioned.

With respect to any reverting restrictions:

Edits made solely to enforce any clearly established consensus are exempt from all edit-warring restrictions. In order to be considered "clearly established" the consensus must be proven by prior talk-page discussion.
Edits made which remove or otherwise change any material placed by clearly established consensus, without first obtaining consensus to do so, may be treated in the same manner as clear vandalism.
Clear vandalism of any origin may be reverted without restriction.
Reverts of edits made by anonymous (IP) editors that are not vandalism are exempt from the 1RR but are subject to the usual rules on edit warring. If you are in doubt, contact an administrator for assistance.

If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it here on this talk page first. Remember: When in doubt, don't revert!

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Vanniyar article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2, 3: 30 days

India: Tamil Nadu Mid‑importance

	India portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.IndiaWikipedia:WikiProject IndiaTemplate:WikiProject IndiaIndia articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Tamil Nadu (assessed as High-importance).
	This article has been marked as needing an infobox.
	This article was last assessed in May 2012.

Sociology Low‑importance

	Society portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sociology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of sociology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SociologyWikipedia:WikiProject SociologyTemplate:WikiProject Sociologysociology articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Occupations.of Palli

Please expand the occupation of Pallis in the article. I am not sure how can I suggest this change in "X to Y" format as I don't know where it will fit. But since castes are mostly stratified by occupations, it is imperative to add it on this article as to what occupations Palli did. Here is an excerpt from a source by Gutenberg : "The Pallis live in separate streets or quarters distinctively known as the Palli teru or Kudi teru (ryots’ quarter). The bulk of them are labourers, but many now farm their own lands, while others are engaged in trade or in Government service. The occupations of

[17]those whom I have examined at Madras and Chingleput were as follows:—

Merchant. Cultivator. Bullock and pony cart driver. Printer. Lascar. Sweetmeat vendor. Flower vendor.	Fitter. Sawyer. Oil-presser. Gardener. Polisher. Bricklayer. Mason.

Jamedeus (talk), please look at this.

Spreading false information

The editors who have taken over this page have taken a very cunning spineless act of trying to spread information to degrade a community, which is very obviously seen. 128.106.137.18 (talk) 14:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, true, this should be stopped. The editors are intentionally spreading false information to degrade vanniyar community. There is no reference for "The Vanniyars were historically considered a lower caste" SenPeter (talk) 01:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Vanniyars were historically considered a lower caste. 128.106.137.18 (talk) 14:45, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The editors are intentionally spreading false information to degrade vanniyar community.

Editors and Users like 24thHusbandofDraupathi are intentionally spreading false information to degrade vanniyar community. SenPeter (talk) 02:03, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Edit Regarding Vanniyar Community Classification

Hello,I would like to request an edit to the Vanniyar community section, specifically regarding the reference to the community being described as a "low caste."This information is inaccurate. Historically, the Vanniyar community has been regarded as Kshatriyas in South India. In south india the only one community having kshatriyan title was Vanniyar community.According to the First Tamil Nadu Backward Classes Commission (Sattanathan commision , 1970), the Vanniyars or Vannia Kula Kshatriyas, as described in that report, are perhaps the largest cultivating caste in Tamil Nadu.Many Vanniyars were prominent landowners and zamindars, holding a respected social status. Referring to the community as "low caste" misrepresents their actual standing.I have reliable sources that support this correction.the vanniyar community are upper caste I am requesting you make correction in vanniyar wikipedia. Venkatramanchandrasekaran (talk) 02:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"First Tamil Nadu Backward Classes Commission (Sattanathan commision , 1970), the Vanniyars or Vannia Kula Kshatriyas ...." Really? Kshatriyas and backward caste can't be mentioned in same sentence. How could you not cringe while typing this? Either Pallis need to stop claiming that they are Kshatriyas and accept that they belong to the lowest rung of the society or else they should give up the benefits and freebies they reap in the name of "backward caste" 24thHusbandofDraupathi (talk) 04:07, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]