Talk:Vrishni
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Re End of Vrishnis
[edit]Where it says "This was her [Gandhari's] curse: that after 36 years Krishna should perish alone miserably and his people, the Vrishnis, should be destroyed. These things in due time came to pass."
I think Krishna's reply to her curse should be mentioned, --namely that he came on a mission to destroy the Vrishnis, and thanks her as her curse would help him accomplish the very job:
"There is none in the world, save myself, that is capable of
exterminating the Vrishnis. I know this well. I am endeavouring to bring
it about. In uttering this curse, O thou of excellent vows, thou hast
aided me in the accomplishment of that task. The Vrishnis are incapable
of being slain by others, be they human beings or gods or Danavas. The
Yadavas, therefore shall fall by one another's hand." After he of Dasharhas
race had said these words, the Pandavas became stupefied. Filled with
anxiety all of them became hopeless of life!
- Mahabarata, last paragraph of 11/25 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chuck starchaser (talk • contribs) 03:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Vrishni and Varshney
[edit]I don't understand - the article seems to say the Vrishnis perished, but also identifies them with Varshneyas, who are still with us. - Fayenatic (talk) 12:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
- The Mahabharata describes that the Vrishnis - the sons and race of Krishna killed each other, due to a curse: leading to the end of the Vrishnis. However, some people [I don't remember where I read it] say the epic overstates the event and only the leaders were killed in a conflict. I don't know how the Varshneys explain the Mahabharata account.--Redtigerxyz Talk 16:20, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- According to the Mahabharata (Mausala Parva, 7.185-253), Vajra, grandson of Krishna survived and he was installed as the king of the Vrishnis in Indraprastha.[1] In the Vishnu Purana (IV.15.34-42) Vajra is mentioned as great-grandson of Krishna. Bahu (or Pratibahu) was his son and Sucharu was his grandson.[2] and he was installed as king in Mathura.[3] Varshney community claims their descent from Akrura,[4] another Vrishni hero. According to the Puranas, Akrura had two sons, Devavant and Upadeva. But so far, I am not aware about their fate in the Yadava fratricidal war.
- References:
- ^ Pargiter, F.E. (1972) [1922]. Ancient Indian Historical Tradition, Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, p.284.
- ^ Wilson, Horace Hayman (tr.) (1840). The Vishnu Purana. London: John Murray. p. 440.
- ^ Wilson, Horace Hayman (tr.) (1840). The Vishnu Purana. London: John Murray. p. 615.
- ^ About Us in Varshney Samaj, NOIDA website
Joy1963Talk 17:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Tentative resolution
Not all Vrishinis/Varshneys migrated to Dwarka (which was a coastal city). Only the direct descendents of Krishna were went there and were destroyed due to the curse. Since Vrishni is an ancestor of Krishna, the Varshneys are a larger tribe then the direct descendents of Krishna.
Support for this hypothesis is from the fact that modern day Varshneys trace their origins to 'Braj' the region that is present day cities Mathura and Aligarh in Uttar Pradesh... and not to Dwarka which is supposed to be somewhere in present day Gujrat. Braj is universally accepted as the original place of Krishna and his tribe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madhur.dtl (talk • contribs) 05:26, 15 April 2011
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Vrishni's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Sreedhara Menon":
- From Venad (historical region): Menon. A. Sreedhara. A Survey of Kerala History. Kottayam (Kerala): DC Books, 2007. [1]
- From Ay dynasty: A Survey of Kerala History, A. Sreedhara Menon, D C Books Kerala (India), 2007, ISBN 81-264-1578-9, ISBN 978-81-264-1578-6 [2]
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 13:55, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
History/Mythology
[edit]This article conflates Indian history with Hindu mythology. More details regarding the historical Vrishni clan could be added to the article and a separate section could be allotted for the Vrishni clan of Hinduism. Chronikhiles (talk) 14:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)