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Title of article

I don't understand the title of this article, Women artists. Do we say "Men artists"? I suppose some may argue that because far fewer women than men have been [recognized] artists, this title, "Women artists", is justified because they constitute a group that is special in a way that male artists are not (that is, by virtue of smaller numbers). However, the phrase does not ring quite right. It is even wrong grammatically. When do we ever use "women" as an adjective? I think it should be either "Female artists" or something else such as "Women in art". – Corinne (talk) 18:28, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Corinne Regarding "Women in art", see #Requested move 15 April 2016. I think the key issue at the moment is that the title is inclusive of all women, but the content is focused on women of European descent, per the issue raised in the previous section. Perhaps both issues (title and content issues) can be addressed at the same time. In other words, find the right article title, that is grammatically correct, for the article content.--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:09, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

CaroleHenson Thank you for your comment. I saw that section, but I thought my concern about the title was a separate issue. You are probably right, though, that both issues can be addressed together. – Corinne (talk) 01:22, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

I realise "Depiction of women artists in art history" was merged here, but maybe "Women artists in art history" would be a better title. There are separate list articles of women artists. Sionk (talk) 21:22, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Corinne is correct that the grammar seems odd, and yet "women artists" does seem to be the most common term used by art historians for women in the visual arts. A Google search returns a vast number of books with this phrase in the title: Modern Women: Women Artists at The Museum of Modern Art; 50 Women Artists You Should Know; Women Artists in the 20th and 21st Century; Dictionary of Women Artists; Women Artists: The Linda Nochlin Reader; A Woman's Gaze: Latin American Women Artists; Women Artists: An Illustrated History; The Reckoning: Women Artists of the New Millennium; Women Artists: An Historical, Contemporary, and Feminist Bibliography; Women Writers and Artists: Modernist (Im)Positionings; Sense and Sensibility: Women Artists and Minimalism in the Nineties; Harlem Nocturne: Women Artists and Progressive Politics During World War II; Painting Professionals: Women Artists & the Development of Modern American Art, 1870-1930; Stealing the Show: Seven Women Artists in Canadian Public Art; Women Artists: A Resource and Research Guide; Dialogues: Women Artists from Ireland; Essays on Women Artists: "The Most Excellent; and countless others. Googling "female artists" brings up fewer titles, and one notices that several are either not very current (English Female Artists; 1876), or are not about women in the visual arts (Hard Rockin' Mamas: Female Rockabilly Artists of Rock'n'roll's First Generation, 1953-1960); or concern the representation of female artists in fiction (Female Artists in Contemporary Novels: Transforming a Genre; Making Room for Creative Women: Female Artists in the Works of Susan Glaspell). So it seems that our current title is fine according to Wikipedia:Article titles. But Sionk's suggestion makes sense as a way of distinguishing this article from a list. Ewulp (talk) 01:11, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

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Marie Denise Villers

The caption of the Villers painting describes it as a self portrait, as does the article. However the website of the New York Metropolitan Museum of Art (which owns the painting) describes it as a portrait of Marie Josephine Charlotte de Val d'Ognes. I haven't read the 1969 ARTnews source listed but I can't see how it can say it is a self portrait of Villers as according to The Met website the attribution to Villers was not made until 1996. This is really not my area but I don't think removing the self portrait element would change the point being made which is about misattribution.Idealfarmer (talk) 09:34, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Can someone add Mother Jefimija?

She was a poet, her most notable work is "Pohvala knezu Lazaru". She expressed her art through poetry and embroidery. She lived from 1349 to 1405, there are pictures of her work online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.220.202.2 (talk) 19:36, 3 October 2019 (UTC)