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What about Dennis L. McKiernan's Iron Tower Trilogy?

If every a story was a direct plagerism of LotR, that was it. It should be mentioned under "Literature", at the very least. Any similar opinions? 68.250.159.195 15:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Inspired by" is not the same as "to Adapt"

Should this article focus on works inspired by but not related to Tokien? Parts of the article make references to works that are direct adaptions of Tolkien's books. Shawnc 01:01, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What will be the benefit if we go to split this into more than one list? -- Goldie (tell me) 06:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The benefit would be a reduction in redundancy and an increase in comprehension. A further differentiation between 'inspired by' and 'paid to do' should be made. --Davémon (talk) 22:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added a mention of David Eddings in the "inspired by" section. Eddings was open and outspoken about his clear admiration and inspiration to write Tolkienian fantasy, referring to the Professor as "Papa Tolkien" BoosterBronze (talk) 17:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Needs updating

This page needs updating to include the LotR musical in Toronto. Carcharoth 13:31, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bias?

"...largely rehashed and thoroughly defiled "The Lord of the Rings", and creatures such as elves and dwarves in his books bear similar qualities to the elves and dwarves of Middle-earth." In reference to Eragon. And while I share the sentiment, I'm pretty sure it's a pretty biased statement--ashley 05:32, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Radio Plays

Were there really three radio plays? The article refers to two by the BBC in 1979 and 1981. My recollection is that in 1981 the BBC repeated the 1979 series but reformatted 26 half hour programmes into 13 one hour programmes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.22.200 (talk) 08:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What an article!

I'm totally impressed with this article. It's just amazing. Congratulations for all those who created it. I will, as soon as possible, translate it to the Portuguese Wikipedia. Thank you! Herenvaryar (talk) 21:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After the King

Why isn't [http://www.amazon.com/After-King-Stories-J-R-R-Tolkien/dp/0812514432 After the King] listed? Its subtitle "Stories In Honor of J.R.R. Tolkien" makes it explicitly clear that it belongs here. John Darrow (talk) 01:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Potter

The section on Harry Potter was very poor and I cut it down to a bare refrence, although even that might be too much. Evil lords, groups of heroes, and baddies in long black capes do predate Tolkien, and in the huge world of Tolkienian fantasy, the Potter world is pretty far on the edges. I would mention that thematically both works are primarily about death, but Tolkien doesn't have a monopoly on that theme. BoosterBronze (talk) 17:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cor Blok?

How come Cor Blok is not mentioned in the article? Example: http://www.middle-earth-journeys.com/webpageimages/TheBattleoftheHornburg.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.25.186.114 (talk) 08:19, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Let me take the Replies Over 10 Years Late award, and say for anyone who may read this that Blok now gets an honourable mention in WikiProject Middle-earth over at Illustrating Middle-earth, and indeed he has his own article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Missing entries on the scores to Peter Jackson's films

The "Classical / film score music" section is missing the most obvious possible entries. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 04:10, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Game of Thrones??

A Song of Ice and Fire is probably the most notable medieval fantasy work right now next to Tolkien, and has been strongly influenced by LOTR. Not mentioning it anywhere in this or the "LOTR" articles is a complete transgression!

I'm not familiar with GoT, although I think that George R.R. Martin mentioned inspiration from LOTR in a few interviews. However, in order to mention it in this article, we need reliable Sources making this claim. If you can find any, go ahead and add it (with the sources of course). Luthien22 (talk) 19:05, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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"Tolkienian archetypes" in Earthsea

The article mentions wizards, magical rings, disinherited princes, quests and dragons as "Tolkienian" archetypes found in Ursula Le Guin's work, while none of those have an exclusively Tolkienian origins and are common motifs in European myth and beliefs, often found in, for example, the Arthurian cycle. Is it really fair to derive those archetypes from Tolkien despite their common occurence in Western beliefs and fiction before him? A magical ring (with properties strikingly similar to that of Tolkien's One Ring) is mentioned in Plato's Republic and in the first Conan story of Robert E. Howard. On the other hand in Earthsea there seems to be an absence of fantasy tropes typically associated with Tolkien, such as elves, orcs and dwarves Ozajasz (talk) 16:55, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are missing two key points here. Firstly, the opinion is not that of a Wikipedia editor but of an author writing in a Tolkien journal, Mythlore. Secondly, it is not being claimed that Tolkien invented the idea of a magical ring or whatever, he did not, obviously. What the author is stating is that Le Guin was (consciously) making a nod to Tolkien by using all those archetypes at once, while also (intentionally) making her world and its rules very different from Middle-earth (Ged is brown-skinned, women are important, water is everywhere, equilibrium is key, ...). Actually we have THREE sources here saying that Le Guin was influenced by Tolkien. I think that's enough. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:12, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then the article should be reworded to explain the ways in which LeGuin was influenced by Tolkien rather than providing a list of archetypes that were common and combined before Tolkien.

In fact the Earthsea article does it better – I would propose to paraphrase the section from there. AskaLagaj (talk) 13:16, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

With respect, this list article really isn't the place for analysis of ways and means, it's just a list of works, as its title correctly states. Tolkien's impact on fantasy is discussed elsewhere, as the section already indicates. The last thing a list article should do is reinvent the analysis and discussion of linked text articles: that's the path to needless overlap (content forking). Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:24, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fanzines

In the most recent edit as of the time of writing this, I added a fanzine with a Wikipedia page to "see also" as there is no section for fanzines specifically. The link I cited is a list of collected Tolkien inspired fanzines in the S. Gary Hunnewell Collection at Marquette University. I wonder if it may be appropriate to add a fanzine section under "fan works" alongside the fanfiction centered paragraph already there. Hope this is a helpful contribution in some way! Dalmationrotary (talk) 07:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again! I saw that my comment was noted; thank you for that. I saw the notes in the article itself that there are gaps in time between the fanwork listed. In the Tolkien fandom page, the works are divided by time period, if this helps any. Dalmationrotary (talk) 08:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The 'History' at Tolkien fandom is very high-level, and quite a bit of it isn't about fans but about major published works, including those edited by Christopher Tolkien... it probably needs rewriting. Anyway, it barely mentions fanzines. There are a few mentions in the rest of the article, but it's divided geographically not chronologically. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]