Template:Did you know nominations/Battle of Muster Green
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
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Battle of Muster Green
The battle site of the Battle of Muster Green in Haywards Heath today
- ... that the battle site of the Battle of Muster Green (pictured) in Haywards Heath was the furthest a Royalist army advanced through Sussex during the First English Civil War?[1] - "But these events were all at places twenty miles west of West Hoathly and there is no record of the royalist incursion advancing any further. So it seems much more likely that any conflict at West Hoathly would link with the battle at Haywards Heath a year before."
- ALT1:... that the Battle of Muster Green, fought during the First English Civil War in the first week of December 1642, raged for roughly an hour and resulted in 200 Royalists killed or injured? [2] - "The fight lasted for about an hour, during which the Royalists suffered some two hundred casualties"
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... that the battle site of the Battle of Muster Green (pictured) in Haywards Heath is described as "one of the very best [public green spaces] in the world" by the Green Flag Award?[3] - "Haywards Heath’s beautiful Muster Green has been recognised by the Green Flag Award Scheme for the fourth time as one of the very best in the world."
Created/expanded by TheBestEditorInEngland (talk). Self-nominated at 03:20, 4 November 2019 (UTC).
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Nice new article! I recommend ALT0. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 11:27, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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- Since we're so close to the first week of December when this battle was fought, moving to Special Occasions holding area. Yoninah (talk) 11:06, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I came by to promote ALT0, but I don't see the hook fact mentioned in the article. Yoninah (talk) 23:56, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- OK, now it's mentioned, but the source looks like a fan-written site. Is this mentioned in any scholarly books? If it doesn't work out, we could use ALT1 without the image. Yoninah (talk) 15:30, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: The source I've used is the only source that I can find to mention this, but that isn't surprising as this is an extremely unknown and undocumented/written about battle. So far I've found about 15 websites on google that mention the battle and the few that go into 'detail' all say roughly the same basic thing. There are no scholarly books that I know of either despite searching for one. The basic idea of ALT0 is that Sussex was only ever invaded twice by a royalist force during the entire civil war, the first in 1642 reached as far as Haywards Heath, and just one year later in 1643, another invasion reached as far as Bramber Bridge. This obviously leaves Haywards Heath (Battle of Muster Green battle site) as the furthest a Royalist army advanced into Sussex however no sources other than the one already used say this. Philip Pavey has said that he found this in his research for his book 'Mysteries of History in Sussex' so I'm guessing it is in there somewhere but there are no online previews available that I can find. Do hooks need to be cited with books? I've only ever done one other DYK and advice would be appreciated. I hope this clears things up, TheBestEditorInEngland (talk) 20:38, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- @TheBestEditorInEngland: Hooks must be cited to reliable sources, and in the case of books, to page numbers. We can't assume or guess when it comes to verification. I'm striking ALT0 and ALT2 (which is not so hooky). If you'd like me to run ALT1 without the image, I will, but if you have a better (and better cited) hook suggestion to go with the image, please suggest it. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 17:48, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
- @TheBestEditorInEngland: @Yoninah: A late drive-by comment: the hook fact for ALT0 can be sourced to a detailed map (but not directly to the accompanying chapter, unfortunately) in The Historical Atlas of Sussex (ed. K. Leslie and B. Short), published 1996. This is a book of short chapters contributed by expert scholars, for which key information was intended to be conveyed on nearly 100 maps. Shall I go ahead and add the necessary citation and add to the article where necessary? Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 18:23, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
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