Template:Did you know nominations/Bill Heindl, Jr.
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The result was: promoted by Carabinieri (talk) 04:05, 22 February 2013 (UTC).
Bill Heindl, Jr.
[edit]- ... that a charity hockey game held to benefit former player Bill Heindl, Jr. in 1980 was the only occasion that hockey legends Bobby Orr and Wayne Gretzky played in the same game?
- Reviewed: Beau Blankenship
5x expanded by Echoedmyron (talk), Resolute (talk). Nominated by Echoedmyron (talk) at 22:56, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
New: Good. Length: Good. Policy: I'm not seeing the claim that Heindl only played for the Bruins. One source said he mostly played for them, but I never saw where your sources said he didn't at least occasionally play elsewhere. Abyssal (talk) 19:11, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, this is a 5X expansion, not a new article. Article says he never played for Boston, not "only", and none of the sources say "mostly", so I'm a bit confused on that. Sources 1, 2, 4 and 5 all show complete career statistics, and none of those show him having actually played for Boston. Sources 1 and 4 (I used 4 for the citation) say he was claimed from Boston, meaning that they must have held his rights; granted, I have been unable to find anything that says how or when Boston came to own his rights in the first place. Sources 1 and 4 belong to the Hockey Hall of Fame and the NHL respectively. At any rate, the hook should not be affected by this detail, should it? Echoedmyron (talk) 19:48, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
- "While his NHL rights were held by the Boston Bruins, Heindl never played for the parent club, and in 1970 was claimed by the Minnesota North Stars from Boston in the NHL reverse draft." There's nothing at all about rights or him never playing for the Bruins in the source for this claim. Abyssal (talk) 16:36, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- Still confused about this. He was claimed by Minnesota from Boston. The only way he could have been claimed from Boston is if his rights were held by Boston in the first place. As for never playing for Boston proper, I am happy to duplicate some of the sources for the article to show his statistics that clearly show he never played for Boston. And I don't see how this relates to the hook for a DYK - since this has nothing to do with the hook at all, and you have not commented on the proposed hook. Echoedmyron (talk) 16:51, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- Added additional citations, including for the statistics table which is in the article, as indicated above.Echoedmyron (talk) 17:08, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- Forgive me, I'm not a hockey enthusiast. If he never played for the Bruins then why does he have playoff stats under them? Abyssal (talk) 23:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
- Ah - I see the confusion. His professional rights were held by the Boston Bruins, coincidentally he appeared in the Memorial Cup, a junior hockey tournament, for a team in Victoriaville that used the same nickname. But definitely different teams and not related in any fashion I am aware of. Does this clear things up? Echoedmyron (talk) 23:10, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
- No coincidence at all, actually. And to help fill the picture in for you Abyssal, Prior to 1969, NHL teams would sponsor players at younger ages (perhaps the way they do it in European football?) and assign them to junior teams. Each of the NHL's teams had junior squads all over Canada. So it is no coinicdence that Heindl played junior with the Victoriaville Bruins, as the team would have been sponsored by the NHL Bruins. There were incidences during that time that the Memorial Cup was contested between two teams sponsored by the same NHL squad, including one rather famous incident where two of Boston's junior affiliates came out wearing the same jerseys! Resolute 23:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
- I suppose I should have realized that, I just hadn't come across any connection between Boston and Victoriaville myself. Echoedmyron (talk) 14:30, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- Can I take Resolute's comments to mean my worries about the Bruins fact were unfounded and I can proceed with the review? Abyssal (talk) 16:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- I would think you can, yes! Echoedmyron (talk) 17:32, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- You can. Heindl never played for the Boston Bruins, which is the "parent club" in this context. Cheers! Resolute 16:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
- Can I take Resolute's comments to mean my worries about the Bruins fact were unfounded and I can proceed with the review? Abyssal (talk) 16:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
- I suppose I should have realized that, I just hadn't come across any connection between Boston and Victoriaville myself. Echoedmyron (talk) 14:30, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- No coincidence at all, actually. And to help fill the picture in for you Abyssal, Prior to 1969, NHL teams would sponsor players at younger ages (perhaps the way they do it in European football?) and assign them to junior teams. Each of the NHL's teams had junior squads all over Canada. So it is no coinicdence that Heindl played junior with the Victoriaville Bruins, as the team would have been sponsored by the NHL Bruins. There were incidences during that time that the Memorial Cup was contested between two teams sponsored by the same NHL squad, including one rather famous incident where two of Boston's junior affiliates came out wearing the same jerseys! Resolute 23:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
- Ah - I see the confusion. His professional rights were held by the Boston Bruins, coincidentally he appeared in the Memorial Cup, a junior hockey tournament, for a team in Victoriaville that used the same nickname. But definitely different teams and not related in any fashion I am aware of. Does this clear things up? Echoedmyron (talk) 23:10, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
- Forgive me, I'm not a hockey enthusiast. If he never played for the Bruins then why does he have playoff stats under them? Abyssal (talk) 23:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
- "While his NHL rights were held by the Boston Bruins, Heindl never played for the parent club, and in 1970 was claimed by the Minnesota North Stars from Boston in the NHL reverse draft." There's nothing at all about rights or him never playing for the Bruins in the source for this claim. Abyssal (talk) 16:36, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, this is a 5X expansion, not a new article. Article says he never played for Boston, not "only", and none of the sources say "mostly", so I'm a bit confused on that. Sources 1, 2, 4 and 5 all show complete career statistics, and none of those show him having actually played for Boston. Sources 1 and 4 (I used 4 for the citation) say he was claimed from Boston, meaning that they must have held his rights; granted, I have been unable to find anything that says how or when Boston came to own his rights in the first place. Sources 1 and 4 belong to the Hockey Hall of Fame and the NHL respectively. At any rate, the hook should not be affected by this detail, should it? Echoedmyron (talk) 19:48, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
