Template:Did you know nominations/Caspar Isenmann

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:06, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Caspar Isenmann

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~~...that Caspar Isenmann may have died in 1472 or in 1490?~~
ALT1 ...that the painter Caspar Isenmann left a detailed contract signed on 21 June 1462?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cavetto

Created by Edelseider (talk). Self-nominated at 08:22, 6 January 2017 (UTC).

The article is not "Long enough". The prose portion is 1152 characters, it should be at least 1,500 characters. --Antan O 09:25, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

I have fleshed it out now: diff link. Edelseider (talk) 10:06, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Nice work. It's new, long enough and within policy. QPQ is ok and no image. I would like to suggest to give another ALT with interesting hook. --Antan O 12:59, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Alternative hook now proposed. Edelseider (talk) 13:12, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Now seems ok for me. --Antan O 01:17, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't find either of the hooks hooky, just confusing. The article, too, should explain why he's notable; now it just says that he was a Gothic painter. Yoninah (talk) 22:42, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

He is notable because he was the municipal painter of Colmar, probably a teacher of Martin Schongauer and the author of an important altarpiece for a major church that is now kept in a famous museum. Do you suggest I should state it in the introduction, although it is all in the article already? Edelseider (talk) 09:14, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes! That's what the lead is for, to summarize the main points of the article to come, and especially to show why the person is notable. I see you already started to do that in the lead, but something should be added about being the municipal painter of Colmar and the creator of the altarpiece. Yoninah (talk)

@Yoninah: I've added literally everything substantial that can be found – it was certainly worth the effort but believe me there is nothing more. We still do know more about that man than about many of his contemporaries, like the Master of the Drapery Studies, about whom we know next to nothing! Have a nice evening or day, Edelseider (talk) 21:22, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

@Edelseider: Thank you, the article reads much better for the work you put into it. Now, to the hook. Instead of sounding uncertain about when he died, perhaps you could write something that would "hook" a reader. I thought of:
ALT3: ~~... that seven of the panels that Caspar Isenmann painted for the altar of St Martin's Church, Colmar, in 1465 survive to this day?~~ Yoninah (talk) 21:46, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

@Yoninah: No, that is not a good hook. In spite of all the wars, destructions, lootings, accidental fires, vandalisms, changes of taste etc., there is still a lot of 15th-century art around. There is nothing notable per se in the survival of a 1465 work of art. On the other hand, the survival of a contract from 1462 *is* notable! These kinds of documents are extremely rare, because they usually lost their meaning and value after a few generations and have no artistic quality. They tell us a lot about the working conditions of painters at that time and about the people who commissioned the art, too. Edelseider (talk) 08:19, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

@Edelseider: I see you're an expert. I'm just looking at the hook from the point of view of a novice like me. Personally, I would never click on ALT1. But it's your choice. Do you want to identify him in any way in ALT1? Yoninah (talk) 14:25, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

*@Yoninah:, okay, I added "the painter". Can I go now? :) Edelseider (talk) 15:05, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Restoring tick for ALT1 per AntanO's review. Yoninah (talk) 15:09, 12 January 2017 (UTC)