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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:46, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

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Christ ist erstanden

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The hymn in 1479
The hymn in 1479
  • ... that "Christ ist erstanden" (Christ is risen), possibly the oldest German hymn, mentioned in the 12th century (pictured with melody), was set for choir in the 21st?

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:47, 7 April 2017 (UTC).

  • Review by Maile
QPQ
  • QPQ by Gerda Arendt has not been used for any other nomination
Eligibility
  • Article was 355 characters (0 words) "readable prose size" before expansion
  • Expansion began on April 1, 2017, and was 3027 characters (0 words) "readable prose size" on the day of nomination
  • Article is currently stable, no dispute tags
Sourcing
  • Citations are appropriately placed in every paragraph and correctly formatted
  • No bare URLs, and no external links used as inline sources
Hook
  • Hook is 140 characters long and mentioned in the article.
The Source
"ist wohl das älteste deutschsprachige Lied", according to Google Translate means, "Is probably the oldest German-language song"
"Die ältesten Hinweise auf diesen Gesang finden sich in Liturgiebeschreibungen des 12. Jahrhunderts" translates as "The starting point of the song is a one-time silence. The earliest references to this singing can be found in liturgical descriptions of the 12th century."
Source "Set for choir in the 21st Century"
Image
  • Image used is in the article and dated circa 1500, uploaded as PD to Commons from the Bach Cantadas Website
Tools
  • Earwig's Copyvio Detector shows a moderate rate of copyvio possibilities, but it is seeing the cantada lyrics as a copyvio, so no problems with this.
  • Dab solver says there are no dab links in the article.

Both German language and English language sourcing. This article passes. — Maile (talk) 19:50, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

I hope for this to appear on Easter Sunday, because it makes no sense any other day. If you think we have too many references to Easter that day it could replace Ursula Zollenkopf who could come on Monday, or any other day with a different hook, like her original one, not mentioning Easter. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:11, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: As this has missed Easter, how about running it on Low Sunday, 23 April? Since there have been a number of choral settings, why not leave that bit out of the hook? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:43, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that "Christ ist erstanden" (Christ is risen) was mentioned in the 12th century and is possibly the oldest German hymn?
Thank you for thinking about it. The hook, though, misses the point that it is not only "old" but highly alive. Last Saturday during Easter Vigil, our cantor improvised on it for the (long) communion, then we sang it, - it's The Easter hymn for many. I suggest we just run it any ordinary not-a-Sunday during Easter time, which runs for several weeks. Easter is not even mentioned in the hook. We could drop the translation which was found offensive when a hook said ... that "Jesus Christ is risen today"? - I confess I don't know about Low Sunday. In the Catholic church - which many of our readers will belong to - 23 April is the typical day for First Communion, not the perfect match it seems. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
How about: - Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:39, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT2: ... that a new choral setting was composed in 2012 for "Christ ist erstanden" (Christ is risen), a song first mentioned in 1160 which may be the oldest German hymn?
Thank you but I feel that it puts too much emphasis on the "new", - the oldest is more amazing. How is this?
ALT3: ... that "Christ ist erstanden", possibly the oldest German hymn (pictured with melody), was set for choir by Max Reger in 1900 and by Enjott Schneider in 2012? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:48, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, it's not my article and I have no strong feelings about it. I think all the hooks are satisfactory but personally like ALT1 best for its simplicity. Let's ask @Maile66: for an opinion. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:30, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
We're probably over-thinking this. I was OK with the original hook. I find ALT3 confusing, unless the word "anew" is inserted for the 2012 version. — Maile (talk) 12:51, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
I found the original too comma-rich, try harder. ALT1 could be something (only) remembered, but that is about the opposite of actual usage. It's probably for Easter what O du fröhliche is for Christmas: a hymn that is missed when not sung.
ALT4: ... that "Christ ist erstanden" (pictured), possibly the oldest German hymn as mentioned in the 12th century, was set for choir in the 21st century? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:12, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
ALT4 looks good to me. — Maile (talk) 14:14, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
Good enough for a tick? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

A tick, indeed. Striking all but ALT4, so the promoter won't be confused. — Maile (talk) 16:33, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

One thing I don't like about ALT4 is that it gives the false impression that this song had not been arranged for choirs until the 21st century. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:46, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
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