Template:Did you know nominations/Descendants of Christian IX of Denmark

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 23:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Descendants of Christian IX of Denmark

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Christian IX with various children and grandchildren at Fredensborg Palace. Specific subjects are identified here.

• ... that King Christian IX and Queen Louise of Denmark were the parents of a Danish king, a British queen, a Greek king, and a Russian empress? Source:
  • ALT1: ... that Queen Louise of Denmark was instrumental in advantageously marrying her children with King Christian IX into various European royal families? Source:
  • ALT2: ... that King Christian IX and Queen Louise of Denmark would welcome their children and grandchildren across six different European royal houses in the summer? Source:
  • ALT3: ... that the popularity of King Christian IX of Denmark recovered in his country after his children married into multiple European royal families? Source:
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  • Comment: This is a list, so I am unsure if this DYK is eligible. That being said, here is my "elevator pitch":

The executed Nicholas II of Russia. The queen that never set foot in her country, Alexandra of Yugoslavia. Accomplished Olympian Constantine II of Greece. The last king of the Congo, Baudouin of Belgium. An heir forging his 21st-century path, William, Prince of Wales. What do all of these people have in common (besides being royals)? They can claim descent from the Father-in-law of Europe, Christian IX of Denmark!

If this DYK is approved, readers will be enticed to learn about how the royal families of Europe are biological relatives to a closer extent than some may think! Created by AndrewPeterT (talk). Self-nominated at 03:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

@AndrewPeterT: Hi, there! I will be reviewing this Did You Know nomination. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 23:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK eligibility scan results: (See here for details.)

• Prose size (text only): 7669 characters (1201 words) "readable prose size"
• Article created by AndrewPeterT on March 9, 2024
• Article moved from Draft:Descendants of Christian IX of Denmark on March 14, 2024
• Article has not been expanded 5x since it was created
• Article has not been created or expanded 5x or promoted to Good Article within the past 10 days (27 days) DYKcheck does not account for previous versions with splits or copyright violations.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Yes Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@AndrewPeterT: Well done for nominating this article, a topic that is of great interest to me. The hook I prefer is ALT0. As you'd know, there are a few criteria for DYK:

• This article was moved into the mainspace on 14 March and nominated on 18 March. Therefore, it is new enough.
• My immediate primary concern for this article was the overwhelming amount of tables in its use. However, good use of background information for each child ensures that there are around 6800-6900 characters of original prose. This makes the article long enough.
• These hooks, of which I prefer ALT0, are adequately sources, so there do exist cited hooks.
• As you have less than five DYK nominations, there is no quid pro quo required.
• Finally, the article's prose is well cited. Information within some tables, however, is not. Though it is clear that effort has been made to source information in some tables, some tables lack sourcing entirely. I am not too concerned with lack of sources for their birth and death dates as that can be found on their respective articles, but it is moreso their children. For example, three of Princess Alexandra of Hanover and Cumberland's children lack sources.
• The article has good spelling and grammar. There are a few fixes that could be made:
  • "would go on to have" ➜ "had"
  • "would go on to fight" ➜ "fought"
  • "would go on long sea voyages..." ➜ "went on long sea voyages..."
  • "Also, Alexandra and Edward's eldest..." ➜ "Additionally [or Furthermore, Moreover, etc.], Alexandra and Edward's eldest..."
  • After addressing him, he no longer needs to be repeatedly called "George I", he can just be called "George". Same goes for anyone else with ordinals. If it is a new paragraph, feel free to restate the ordinal. I would suggest however, you write "Christian IX" instead of "Christian" the whole time.
  • "Dagmar took the name Maria Feodorovna" ➜ "Dagmar took the name "Maria Feodorovna"". Italics not needed here. Quotation marks around her name is optional and up to you.
  • "Moreover, both Nicholas and Michael were killed during the Russian Revolution." ➜ "Moreover, both Nicholas and Michael, along with Nicholas's five children, were killed during the Russian Revolution." Yes, only talking about the children are being talked about, but it is best to include them as they were also closely-related relatives who also died as a result of the Revolution.
  • In the ALT0 hook, I would change it from "the parents to" ➜ "the parents of".

So, in summary, all that needs to be addressed is the sourcing within tables and a few spelling and grammar mistakes. I am also a bit concerned with the amount of WP:WHITESPACE. If this can't be fixed, it is not too much of a concern. Please let me know if you need any assistance or clarification. I hope this helps and I look forward to hopefully having this in DYK. Thanks. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Therealscorp1an: Thank you very much for your detailed evaluation and feedback. I have no objections to the ALT0 hook being used on the Main Page. Could you please let me know when I should make the suggested changes? As you noted, I am still in the process of citing some of the information in the tables. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 02:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@AndrewPeterT: As soon as possible. The quicker these are addressed, the quicker we can place it on DYK. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 04:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

All suggested spelling and grammar corrections have been made. I am prioritizing citing sources for the great-grandchildren of Christian IX and Louise. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 04:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@AndrewPeterT: Great job. There's one other thing I would change. In the caption of the photo that will be used for the hook, I would change "Christian IX with various children and grandchildren at Fredensborg Palace." to "1886 portrait of Christian IX and his family by Laurits Tuxen." It's best the artist is probably credited. Also, in the actual article, in order to aleviate some of the WP:WHITESPACE, I would remove the two protraits of Christian IX and Louise in the background section as there are paintings of them given in the table below so. Once you're done sourcing the table information, please let me know! - Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Therealscorp1an: Have your concerns been assuaged? (Big dislike, incidentally, on the use of section headers within a review, as they make T:TDYK's table of contents look angin.)--Launchballer 09:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Let's check. @AndrewPeterT: Have the references been complete? - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:55, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: and @Therealscorp1an:: I still have two more tables to find references for. I should be able to have all references ready by 2359 UTC tomorrow (May 2) on May 3 on May 5. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 00:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC); edited 21:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC) and 22:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@Therealscorp1an: Thank you very much for being so accommodating as I found references for all of the information in the tables. I have cited everything to the extent possible (Please note that I was unable to find reliable sources for some lifespan dates). Would you please be able to review the article and let me know if I should make further modifications with the sourcing? AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 21:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

The lifespan dates should be sourced, and if the snippets of Google search results are anything to go by, shouldn't be too difficult to source.--Launchballer 14:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

AndrewPeterT please note that this nomination is now over two months old, which has come to be the time-out point for stalled nominations. If it isn't approved within a week, the nomination is liable to be rejected. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Therealscorp1an:, @Launchballer:, and @AirshipJungleman29:, I have now sourced all of the lifespan dates mentioned in the article. Given that the time-out point is soon approaching, would you please be able to approve this nomination or leave any final suggestions at your earliest convenience? Thank you all for your feedback! AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 16:45, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Let's roll.--Launchballer 16:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Promoter's comment: AndrewPeterT could you please explain how this article does not violate WP:NOTGENEALOGY? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: Absolutely. In general, I agree that articles on descendants of individuals are genealogical trivia. However, I created this article on Christian IX's offspring because I believe the specific topic is notable on its own merits. In particular, multiple works of literature have been published on this topic, including:

1. Aronson 2000, who chronicles the lives of Christian IX's children and their implications on 19th- and 20th-century European geopolitics in his work. (I have linked the 2020 version of this text in the article.) For example, Aronson describes how Alexandra of Denmark and Maria Feodorovna (Dagmar of Denmark) brought anti-Prussian attitudes with them to the British and Russian royal courts, respectively.
2. Carter 2011, which, among other topics, emphasizes the fact that George V and Nicholas II were first cousins (via Christian IX). Carter also chronicles how George and Nicholas navigated Europe amid World War I and the impact of these experiences on how both viewed their family relationships.
3. Lerche and Mandal 2003, a text I have admittedly not read yet. However, I have heard, but am not certain, that this book was based on this documentary specifically dedicated to the descendants of Christian IX that contains interviews with members of contemporary European royalty.

Please let me know if you would like additional clarification. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 17:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Aronson 2000 and Lerche & Mandal 2003 are exactly the sort of existing sources needed. Many thanks for your speedy response. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@AndrewPeterT: Great job. Let's pass this thing. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:21, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

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