Template:Did you know nominations/François Ponchaud
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The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 21:11, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
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François Ponchaud
[edit]- ... that François Ponchaud was one of the first people to publicise the genocide in Cambodia?
Created/expanded by Darkness Shines (talk). Self nominated at 17:26, 4 January 2014 (UTC).
QPQ done. This article subject has an interesting story and is very worthy of the main page. I think you should expand somewhat about the period 1975 to 1977 to get the story complete. I have added a CNN link that might help you. He left at the beginning of the atrocities in 1975; after having gone back to France, he talked to many refugees who later would flee Cambodia and then published his book in 1977. I don't think the article currently cover the story thorougly enough. And this is related to the hook. You must also make sure to include the hook statement in the body of the article, not just the lede, and with a source saying exactly what the hook says. Also, I think his statement to the court should be expanded a bit on; not solely cover the American atrocities. Iselilja (talk) 02:54, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- @Iselilja: I have added some more to the article, further advice gratefully accepted, thank you. Darkness Shines (talk) 12:59, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks User:Darkness Shines. The article looks more comprehensive now. As for the hook, you have given two sources and in the first one I found the following to back up the fact (Collin, 2008, CNN) "arrived in Cambodia in 1965 from a small village in France....within a decade he would become a crusader against the worst genocide since the Holocaust"."Ponchaud then published a startling book called "Year Zero." It was one of the first to expose the brutal totalitarian regime of the Khmer Rouge to the world.". I am a bit unsure about whether we should use the word "genocide" in the hook. Maybe we should tone it down a bit with an ALT1 hook and say the first to publisise the "atrocities of the Pol Pot regime" or similar? I notice that our Wikipedia article on the topic Khmer Rouge rule of Cambodia doesn't use the word genocide in the headline, but says that " the rule of the Khmer Rouge are often considered a genocide". (That article by the way should be wikilinked in the hook). I am open to hear arguments here. I didn't see any mention in the second source explicitly stating that he was the first to publize anything, but I may have overlooked something and as long as we have one source, that's enough. Spotchecks didn't reveal close paraphrasing problems. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 11:01, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- @Iselilja: Cambodian genocide. I am taking a break but will be checking in as I have five DYKs on the go. Darkness Shines (talk) 11:51, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- Ah. I was searching for Genocide in Cambodia and then was directed to the article I mentioned. The Cambodian genocide article was created by yourself in September 2013. I'll also come back to this. Iselilja (talk) 12:05, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
You are right about the genocide, and I think the article is good to go per above review. Sorry for messing things a bit up here. Iselilja (talk) 01:47, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
