Template:Did you know nominations/Gadis Arivia

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The result was: promoted by Gatoclass (talk) 14:10, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Gadis Arivia

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Gadis Arivia in 2016

• ... that Gadis Arivia (pictured) established Indonesia’s first journal of feminist theory? Source: "YJP digagas dan didirikan oleh Dr. Gadis Arivia pada tahun 1995, dosen feminisme dan filsafat di Departemen Filsafat Universitas Indonesia. Pendirian YJP didukung oleh Dr. Ida Dhanny, Asikin Arif, MA (almarhum) serta Prof. Dr. Toeti Heraty Noerhadi"; "Indonesia’s first journal of feminist theory, confidently titled Jurnal Perempuan"

• Reviewed: Gesomyrmex magnus

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:35, 27 September 2016 (UTC).

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• • ✓ This article is new and was created on 14:48, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
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• • ✓ The media File:Gadis Arivia at the International Conference on Feminism, 2016-09-24 03.jpg is free-use
  • ✗ The hook ALT0 is too long at 476 characters
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• Great hook, solid article, decent picture. New enough and long enough. My worry is that the source from which the quote was taken doesn't really specify that Arivia started the journal; it said that she was in conversation with the group that started it. The article seems to say this as well. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:37, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

• The journal's profile is more explicit that Arivia founded it. The Jakarta Post also makes the same statement. I just didn't cite JP because it doesn't mention the people who supported her. If the article here is not clear enough, I'll fix that. Crisco 1492 mobile (talk) 00:31, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

To translate the above: "JPF was conceptualized and established by Dr. Gadis Arivia, a lecturer of feminism and philosophy at the Department of Philosophy, University of Indonesia, in 1995. The establishment of JPF was supported by Dr. Ida Dhanny, the late Asikin Arif, MA, and Prof. Dr. Toeti Heraty Noerhadi" — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:58, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Great, I'm happy with this. If you have any other articles on women in philosophy (broadly construed!) as potential creations, perhaps you'd like to join us for the Women in Philosophy Drive? If you're inclined, but it's your call, you could even "backdate" this one to include it as part of the drive. Josh Milburn (talk) 14:01, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this but wonder why most of the hook is a quote of a rather mundane statement? I started to look through the article and found something miscited from the source. I would like to review the sources more in depth and also suggest that the hook be changed to something more hooky, like:
• ALT1: ... that Gadis Arivia (pictured), a leading feminist scholar in Jakarta, was arrested in 1998 for protesting the rising cost of milk? Yoninah (talk) 11:56, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: The second instance of "Activist" was a mistype. Thank you for catching it. The first instance is fine, however (The Jakarta Post describes her as an activist, and the milk protest was pure activism).

Personally, I think that her involvement in establishing Jurnal Perempuan, the first journal of feminist theory in Indonesia, is more significant than the milk protest. That being said, the milk protest is commonly cited in English-language sources, and it was brought up several times (in relatively little detail) during the JP conference I attended last month, so I would be fine with ALT1. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:07, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

• @Crisco 1492: I have nothing against the first hook, just the use of quote marks for something that is obviously WP:LIMITED. Yoninah (talk) 13:59, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

• Quote marks removed. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:26, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: Josh Milburn described the original hook as "great". If you are happy with its present condition, could you reinstate the tick, as I hesitate to promote this when the last symbol is a "?". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:42, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

I thought founding the first feminist theory journal in Indonesia (the fourth highest populated country in the world!) was pretty interesting; I'd click if I was looking for something to read. I certainly don't think it's mundane. That said, if Chris is happy with the milk protest hook, then so am I. Josh Milburn (talk) 12:52, 8 October 2016 (UTC)