Template:Did you know nominations/Gemma J

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 03:34, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Article deleted at AfD

Gemma J

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... that Gemma J is one half of twins?

5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self nominated at 10:26, 9 August 2014 (UTC).

Comment: Would you like to replace the bare link in the references with a {{cite web}} template? Disambiguation page found in the ref (This Morning), and "self-reference" (WP:SELF, referencing existing articles in Wikipedia) should be avoided. Adding more references instead of directly citing an article might be better. Kou Do u 12:51, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

I am not using any articles as references. The presence of dates makes it clear I am referring to a specific episode of that show. I believe that is common practice.--Laun chba ller 16:11, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that Gemma J has a twin sister? ("Half of twins" sounds kind of... bloody or something.) EEng (talk) 20:45, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

A very good point that. So that you can approve it:

ALT2: ... that Gemma J is a twin?--Laun chba ller 20:51, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't think that's a good idea, but I summon my two favorite reviewers, Belle and Martinevans123. EEng (talk) 00:10, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't know where the Fred to my Ginger (Tarzan to my Jane? Gabrielle to my Xena?) is, but I'll start without him:

...that Gemma J has two hands? Twin is about as exciting. Are UK Factor and X Factor different programmes or is that just a typo? If it is a typo then:

ALT3... that after appearing on The X Factor by herself, Gemma J appeared on it again in a group, but was too busy touring with another group to attend bootcamp? Belle (talk) 15:20, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

ALT2 ...that there are three ALT2s? EEng (talk) 15:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Gabrielle, not Joxer. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:10, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

ALT2 ...that there are still three ALT2s? Belle (talk) 16:15, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

As of now the ALT2s are triplets, of which two are identical and one fraternal. EEng (talk) 18:45, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Twins are rare, so I thought it'd make a good hook. But at the same time, I also thought I'd hammered out all uses of "UK Factor" - apparently not. Trouble with that hook, it's too long and unpunchy.

ALT4: ... that Gemma J has auditioned for The X Factor both individually and as part of a band?--Laun chba ller 20:04, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

I thought the fact that she was too busy with another group to turn up with the first group was what made it interesting, but your ALT is more interesting than the twin thing (Twins aren't that rare; I'm one; I often blame my evil twin for the bad things ~~I do~~ she does; my mum says I'm not a twin, but how else can you explain it?) Belle (talk) 00:04, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm only trying to hurry things up because you can't approve your own hooks.

ALT5: ... that Gemma J auditioned for The X Factor individually and got to judges' houses, and as part of a group but couldn't make it to bootcamp?--Laun chba ller 13:17, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

"Got to the judges' houses?" Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:10, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Nope - got to Judges' houses. It's a proper noun (I think).--Laun chba ller 22:09, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

The article is labeled as a stub and reads like one, for all it's technically just barely long enough (1526 prose characters): one-and two-sentence paragraphs containing factoids that don't fit together in a coherent encyclopedic narrative. The article has only a single reliable second source (the Maidenhead Advertiser article about the then-upcoming Eurovision contest finals); the first four sources are from the pre-expansion article, and of those the eurodkj source is a one-woman unreliable source creation and discogs is also unreliable. The final five sources are all Wikipedia pages, and by definition unreliable. (Even if you can cite episodes for events—use the "cite episode" template for individual television episodes if that's the case, not a Wikipedia article ref—the events you're citing aren't notable unless they're covered in reliable secondary sources.) I have tagged the article with a notability template; if you'd prefer, I can nominate it at AfD, and expect to do so unless significant information in the article is backed up soon by such sources. Whatever "judges' houses" means, it needs to be explained for people unfamiliar with the show so they understand how far in the process she got, or you could just say she was eliminated in the Nth round. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:16, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I've removed/replaced the unreliable sources in the lede, but again I'm not using any Wikipedia articles as sources - merely the episodes. Gemma passes WP:MUSICBIO#C2 and so would likely be kept at AfD.--Laun chba ller 07:31, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

The hitparade.ch site is as problematic as discogs when considering the information there that is posted by any users that want to without editorial supervision, such as her full name (which is being cited here). Since the musicbio criteria say "may be notable", given the fact that there's only one secondary source, I'm less sure it would survive than you. I will be nominating it; so we'll see what happens. (It still reads like a stub, so even if it survives AfD you'll need to improve it if you want it to pass DYK.) BlueMoonset (talk) 16:34, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Article was deleted at AfD. Closing nomination. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:34, 1 October 2014 (UTC)