Template:Did you know nominations/Han Zhuo
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:19, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
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Han Zhuo
[edit]- ... that China's Xia dynasty was overthrown for a time by the archer Houyi and his advisor Han Zhuo?
- ALT1:... that, according to Chinese legend, Houyi's wife conspired to overthrow her husband with Han Zhuo, who then tried to feed the archer's body to his sons?
- ALT2:... that Chinese legends state Houyi's wife pushed his advisor Han Zhuo to overthrow her husband?
- ALT3:... that Chinese stories hold that Han Zhuo overthrew the archer Houyi only to be overthrown himself by the Xia?
- ALT4:... that Chinese legend holds that Han Zhuo tried to feed the archer Houyi's body to his sons and killed them when they refused to eat it?
- ALT5:... that, in Chinese legend, the sons of the archer Houyi were killed for refusing Han Zhuo’s command to eat their father's body?
- ALT6:... that traditional accounts of the Xia dynasty state that the archer Houyi left day-to-day administration to Han Zhuo, who then seduced his wife and usurped his kingdom?
- ALT7:... that Han Zhuo was legendary Chinese advisor who usurped his king's throne, seduced his wife, and executed his children when they refused to eat their father's body?
- ALT8:... that the Chinese usurper Han Zhuo’s son Ao is still worshipped as a culture hero responsible for the invention of the ship?
- Reviewed:
Will doMapping of Venus - Comment: @Reviewers: Don't worry. You only need to check up on the hook(s) you're most interested in seeing promoted.
I'd kind of like the hook to obliquely note that western scholars don't really think the Xia existed in anything like the way it's presented in traditional Chinese history, but I'm open to using whichever phrasing you like best from any of the hooks.
- Reviewed:
Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 05:13, 7 December 2016 (UTC).
A QPQ review appears to be needed before this can move forward. North America1000 20:21, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Well, the review can still happen now. I'll get the QPQ in the next day or two. I had a stack to get through.Done. — LlywelynII 06:08, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:42, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
This article is new enough and long enough. There is a "clarification needed" tag that you seem to have added yourself, and the single sentence lead is sure to attract a "Lead too short" tag unless you expand it. The hooks are much of a muchness; I like ALT4 and ALT5 best. The article is neutral and I detected no policy issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:33, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
- @LlywelynII: If you were to respond to these two points, I could wind up this review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:56, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Which two points? The clarification tag should stay: If I could clarify the point, I already would have but the source I found didn't use Pinyin or even provide the Chinese character. Assuming it's in Wade, "Kuei" can be either of Gui or Kui, each of which comes in four tones and several hundred separate characters. Just be thankful I was able to find the right Chinese and links for the rest of the names. I expanded the lead a bit more, but it's a few paragraphs on a legendary figure. The lead captures what we realistically do know about the guy in the sources I found.
Between ALT4 & 5? Same basic idea but I suppose ALT4 is worded a bit more cleanly. — LlywelynII 10:23, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Which two points? The clarification tag should stay: If I could clarify the point, I already would have but the source I found didn't use Pinyin or even provide the Chinese character. Assuming it's in Wade, "Kuei" can be either of Gui or Kui, each of which comes in four tones and several hundred separate characters. Just be thankful I was able to find the right Chinese and links for the rest of the names. I expanded the lead a bit more, but it's a few paragraphs on a legendary figure. The lead captures what we realistically do know about the guy in the sources I found.
- @LlywelynII: If you were to respond to these two points, I could wind up this review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:56, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
- Length, Date, Cite, QPQ, and Earwigs check for ALT 4. I personally think the lead is appropriate for the article in its current state and the clarification needed tag does not relate to this hook nor does it appear to breach any of DYK's supplemental rules. ALT4 approved. Mifter (talk) 06:08, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
