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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Miyagawa (talk) 20:48, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Heinz Kiwitz

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  • ... that in 1937, after German artist Heinz Kiwitz was lauded in the Nazi press, he wrote an open letter to Hitler to renounce the praise?

Created/expanded by Marrante (talk). Self nom at 07:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

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  • It can be next to impossible to find information about a person's childhood where the subject is long dead and most of those who knew him at that time are also dead, not to mention the particular circumstances of living in tumultuous times. In fact, his sister said that had their father not carefully saved copies of his son's work, most of it would have been lost forever. If the source is not reliable enough, I can remove it, however it is the only source for the information cited. Some of the catalogues may have some information, but all I have access to are pictures of the covers on that site and references to them on Google Books. I often write about this period and about individuals who were killed when young, about whom few people know and information is very hard to come by. I have had over 40 DYKs, most often about such people and situations and the sources have always been accepted as I find them. Most of the articles, including this one, have been pick-ups from the German Wikipedia, and these articles generally have few, if any inline citations. Most have a list of (mostly offline) sources, but some don't even have that. This article on the German WP had one single, offline source, no inline citations at all. I actually was not going to include the Heinz Kiwitz website because of the javascript, but some of the information on it simply could not be found elsewhere and it is nice to have some information about childhood in a biography. Perhaps someone else can weigh in on this. Marrante (talk) 07:51, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
  • I should also point out that while the source may not be sufficient for a GA, I would say, based on my experience, it is sufficiently reliable for DYK. Marrante (talk) 07:55, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Perhaps a bit of information about who runs the site, or what it is for. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:15, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Ahh. Okay, this is new ground for me, so please help me with this. The site is run by someone who is apparently the son of Kiwitz' sister. The purpose of the site seems to be to have an internet presence for Kiwitz and there are links on the site to his father's work (also a painter, also deceased) and to his own work (photography). For the most part, the site seems to be just a record of everything the family has about him, from artwork to anything he's written to family reminiscences. The "impressum" (something that German websites must have by law) states that it is maintained by Siepmann-Kunst (Kunst = art) and was set up "im Auftrag" (meaning by contract or proxy) from Gertrud Siepmann, the married name of Kitwitz' younger sister. Siepmann-Kunst is a business that offers design, web design, sells a little art, some on eBay... I think you get the picture. I can tell you from my own experience, selling art is no picnic. It's easier and more fun to have the dentist extract all of your teeth. I was once in a position where I had to help someone close an estate that contained a large art collection, all very high quality, but only a few famous artists. We had trouble even GIVING the stuff away. We had dealers come through, look at it, admire it, and then focus on the few famous names and lament the fact they could not sell the rest. So. Just what should I write about the site? Please give me some pointers and I'll get on it. Thanks. Marrante (talk) 13:14, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Speedyphil may disagree, but I think the website may be acceptable as a non-independent source for uncontroversial information. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:15, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Ahh, I thought you meant that I should put something about the website in the article. As I first wrote to Sp33dyphil, much of what is on that site is unavailable anywhere else. It's really a matter of using the info (such as Kiwitz joining a boxing club and standing 1.92 m tall, making the furniture rattle, etc.) or not. Those details always come from the family or childhood friends anyway, no matter where they later appear. Thanks for your input, Crisco. Marrante (talk) 16:30, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
  • If this is really a last resort, I'm passing this the review -- I was just concerned you might've chosen a non-RS when there could be man reliable sources from which to choose. As one of my specialty is nuclear submarines, I can understand the issue at hand. --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 06:54, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
  • You're welcome, Marrante. Is that a tick, Sp33dyphil? Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:45, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Copying tick down here for easier promoting. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:04, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
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