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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 23W 23:48, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hodad's

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  • ... that former co-owner of Hodad's, Mike Hardin, died in 2015, causing the restaurant to close and members of the community to create a makeshift memorial in front of the Ocean Beach restaurant?

Created by RobBertholf (talk). Self-nominated at 15:01, 30 April 2015 (UTC).

We need to mention to article in question with a link, please, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Oops, sorry about that! @Rob talk 02:27, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
No need to be sorry, it's simply that a reviewer needs to know what to review ;) - I bolded it. Thank you for adding, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you! :) @Rob talk 23:53, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
  • New enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. I added a number of references for notability, and edited the article for neutrality. The material in the first hook is really a minor part of the article now, and I removed the part about the restaurant closing for the weekend because it seemed tangential. The information in ALT1 did not appear in the source provided. I provided the link to the CNN article and rewrote that sentence based on the CNN source. Would you like to propose another hook? You could still say that celebrity chef Guy Fieri really likes the bacon cheeseburger, but he didn't subject it to a vote. No QPQ needed for first-time nominator. Yoninah (talk) 22:48, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Striking both hooks as either not stated or unsourced (Fieri is more of a foodie than a chef). How about these instead:
  • ALT2:... that when former co-owner of Hodad's died at the start of 2015, members of the community created a makeshift memorial in front of the Ocean Beach restaurant?
  • ALT3: ... that Hodad's bacon cheeseburger has been praised by television personality Guy Fieri?
A bit wary about that latter because frankly he recommends food for a living on the Food Network. Fuebaey (talk) 18:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks for pitching in, @Fuebaey:. What do you think of these alts?
  • ALT4: ... that surfboards and license plates decorate the interior of Hodad's, an iconic burger joint on a San Diego beach?
  • ALT5: ... that Hodad's, an iconic San Diego burger joint, sells burgers both to beachgoers and baseball fans?
  • As I put a lot of work into new sources and expansion, I'm adding myself to the creation co-credits. Yoninah (talk) 22:19, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Here are some issues:
    • "no-frills burgers wrapped in waxed paper" : can this be paraphrased? Otherwise, direct quotes should have WP:INTEXT attribution, saying who wrote it (this is in addition to the citation).
    • ALT3: It's not definitive that Fieri is referring to a bacon cheeseburger. The source says: "They have a burger where they make a bacon patty that goes on top of the burger that is just ridiculous". This can be one without cheese. Not being familiar with their exact menu, it can be any burger (lamb, chicken, etc) with bacon. Also, not entirely sure what their "bacon patty" is exactly to be able to identify the specific menu item. This is bordering on WP:OR
    • ALT4: No evidence that "iconic" is a verifiable description. At best, if I missed something in the one source, WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV should apply.
    • ALT5: same issue as ALT4 with use of iconic. Not readily apparent that "baseball fans" is tied to the Petco partnership. Should be expanded in the article if this hook is pursued.—Bagumba (talk) 08:42, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
  • I would say ALT6 is "not interesting" (but I might be biased from living somewhere where beaches are within driving distance)—Bagumba (talk) 17:10, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
  • So you prefer something boring like ALT2? Yoninah (talk) 19:09, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey everyone, thanks for all the help and information! I think that a variation of Mike's death as a DYK could be good. What do you think? - @Rob talk 09:56, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't like it, because you didn't give enough information in the article about who Mike Hardin was or why he was locally famous. But maybe Bagumba does. Yoninah (talk) 14:26, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
You have a point. I'm going to try and hopefully get it to be enough to justify it, as I think it serves as a decent point of interest. I wouldn't mind a DYK like ALT6 if it was spiced up a bit more though. - @Rob talk 05:01, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I like that pretty well! It's pretty informative and it's a neat tidbit. - @Rob talk 04:55, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Great. Since I can't review my hook, could another reviewer sign off on ALT7 please? Yoninah (talk) 12:20, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: For ALT7, the sources seem to say the burger was "inspired" by Fieri,[1][2] which is a slightly different meaning from the hook saying it was "in honor of" him. It would also be good to tie into the article that Fieri's nickname is "Guido", which is hinted at here but is also sourced at Guy Fieri now by a recent edit of mine.—Bagumba (talk) 02:43, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
  • That is great! Works for me (ALT8) @Rob talk 01:54, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Reviewer needed for ALT8. Yoninah (talk) 11:37, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
  • This article is long enough and was new enough when nominated. The ALT8 hook has several inline citations. The article is neutral and I found no policy issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:16, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
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