Template:Did you know nominations/Inheritance (Edvard Munch)

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:48, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Inheritance (Edvard Munch)

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Inheritance (1890s)

... that Edvard Munch's Inheritance (pictured) is an inverted Madonna with child? Source: "...depicted a grotesque inversion of the classic theme “Madonna with child.” [1]
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5x expanded by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 06:57, 15 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Inheritance (Edvard Munch); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Whispyhistory and Philafrenzy: Expanded from prose size 254 B to 2659 B. WP:EARWIG shows one potential copyright violation with https://archive.org/stream/edvardmunchpsych00howe/edvardmunchpsych00howe_djvu.txt. This is not a problem since it is caused by a quote.

I'm not sure that the phrase inverted Madonna with child is immediately understandable to everyone. Maybe it could be changed to ... that Edvard Munch's Inheritance (pictured) is an inversion of the traditional "Madonna with child" theme? to give a little more context. The text in the source also takes this approach. It may also be a good idea to wikilink Madonna (art). What do you think? Phlsph7 (talk) 12:36, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

ALT1... that Edvard Munch's Inheritance (pictured) is an inversion of the traditional Madonna with child?
I don't think we need theme. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
ALT1 looks good. Phlsph7 (talk) 19:31, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
The phrase "with child" should be avoided, because the English idiom refers to pregnancy, and the pregnant Madonna is its own separate artistic subject. The source, which is a journal of dermatology rather than of art history, doesn't appear to know this. I've moved the article to Inheritance (Munch) in order to comply with MOS:ART/TITLE. I would suggest the following:
ALT2 "... that Edvard Munch's Inheritance (pictured) is an inversion of the traditional artistic subject of the Madonna and Child?". Ham II (talk) 18:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
That's a good point about how the phrase "with child" could easily be misunderstood. ALT2 avoids this problem. Phlsph7 (talk) 07:10, 26 July 2023 (UTC)