Template:Did you know nominations/Line of Duty (series 3)

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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Serial Number 54129 talk 19:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Line of Duty (series 3)

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... that Jed Mercurio almost let "The Caddy" live? Source: [1] and [2] Quotes: "Dot’s escape was a bloody affair, and ended with him riddled with bullets, recording his dying declaration for Kate Fleming before passing away" and "Also, at the end of season 3, I seriously considered keeping the Caddy hidden from the rest of the team. Cottan came up with lots of plausible denial, framed Steve and continued within AC-12. But I knew people were desperate for justice."
- ALT1: ... that Jed Mercurio almost let "The Caddy" live in series 3 of Line of Duty? Source: Same sources as above
- Reviewed: N/A: First nomination
- Comment: This is a work of fiction, but the fact considers real-world production information by sourcing a quote from the creator/writer. I believe that should allow it to pass DYKFICTION. I also came up with an alt hook In case the first would be considered an Easter Egg link. This is my first nomination, so I shouldn't need to review another article. I might also be able to try another alt if neither pass DYKFICTION.

5x expanded by TheDoctorWho (talk). Self-nominated at 04:53, 1 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Line of Duty (series 3); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Right now I have doubts that either hook would make sense or be interesting to those unfamiliar with the show. My suggestion would be to propose more hooks first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
I'm happy to review, but I agree with Narutolovehinata5. And the nom, of course; you're right the first one's too eggy (by a whole hen house!), and the second one, well, it's still very in-universe. And although it was a great show, our audience is global, while these hooks are aimed at fans of the show. Inside baseball, as it were. Perhaps broaden the hook beyond the show itself? E.g.

ALT2: ... that series three of Jed Mercurio's police procedural Line of Duty was filmed over several Belfast locations, including the city's oldest building, McHugh's Bar (pictured)?

160 chars, and the opportunity for the picture slot. Note: Belfast has a population of nearly 300K. ——Serial Number 54129 16:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Comment.@Narutolovehinata5 and TheDoctorWho There are some major issues not yet addressed in terms of the required expansion. In using a manual character count tool, the original prose was 15993 characters. 5xs that would be 79965 characters. The current character count is actually smaller than the original at just 13454 characters, far below the required expansion per WP:DYK5X. This is largely due to the trimming of plot summaries, even though coverage of the game itself has been expanded. However, plot summaries are not excluded from prose counts, and so the original plot summary lengths are factored into the original character count.

Additionally, there seems to be a lot of un-necessary repetition of characters and cast in the lead. What is the point of a detailed cast section if it's going to be repeated in the lead? We don't generally give a full cast list in the lead section for articles on TV shows, films, and video games. Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, the lead should summarize not reproduce a section of the article. There is also a lot of text for a single paragraph in the lead section. There needs to be some serious trimming and copyediting of the lead section to pass the presentability component of the DYK review in my opinion. Given the size of the prose count due to a repeat of the cast list in the lead, that may also have a negative impact of the 5x expansion character count. In my opinion its unlikely the article will be able to be expanded to the necessary size to meet the 5x expansion rule and I am therefore rejecting this hook. I suggest trying for passing a WP:Good article review and then resubmitting once successful. 4meter4 (talk) 17:34, 21 March 2024 (UTC)