Template:Did you know nominations/Nina Starr Braunwald

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The result was: promoted by Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:48, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Nina Starr Braunwald

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... that Nina Starr Braunwald (pictured) designed, fabricated and implanted the first successful artificial mitral heart valve replacement in a human?

Created by ChandniJP (talk). Nominated by Hildabast (talk) at 02:41, 19 March 2015 (UTC).

Hook is good, sourced from [1]. Old enough; nominated 6 days after creation. Long enough, conservatively 1600+ characters of non-public-domain readable prose. The article is generally well sourced with sufficent inline citations. QPQ not required, as neither nominator nor author have had previous DYKs. Image is public domain. I'm not sure how to check "rollover text" on the image. However, I'm not seeing attribution for public domain source. Provide attribution, and perhaps provide "rollover text" (I have no idea what that is so don't know how to check) and you're good to go in my book. This is my first review, so it'd be appreciated if an experienced reviewer could check my work. --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 22:07, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Great - thanks, so much for your time! This is my first time at this too. I don't see anything about attribution or the source in the rollover text of the other images including DYK currently on Wikipedia. Is it necessary? It's the image on the page, so you can see all that by clicking through to Wikimedia Commons in the usual way.Hildabast (talk) 22:12, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

The source is given in the Commons page, so that should be in order. There aren't any requirements for rollover text that I could find. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 22:22, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

@Hildabast and Antony-22:(edit conflict) As in, the page itself uses lots of public domain content in the prose and that needs attribution. If you want to drop the image, you won't need to provide rollover text; "rollover text" is required for nominations with images per DYK guide. --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 22:24, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I see. Well, it has rollover text. You're saying you want me to edit the whole text to remove any close paraphrasing? I'll hunt through to find the bits that are affected then. Hildabast (talk) 22:30, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

You don't need to change anything—you just need to add the appropriate template from Category:United States government attribution templates. I think it would be Template:NLM content in this case. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 22:45, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

That's great! Thank you very much! Yes, it was NLM. I've done that.Hildabast (talk) 22:53, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Good to go. Attribution has been added. Hook is good, sourced from [2]. Old enough; nominated 6 days after creation. Long enough, conservatively 1600+ characters of non-public-domain readable prose. The article is generally well sourced with sufficent inline citations. QPQ not required, as neither nominator nor author have had previous DYKs. Image is public domain. I'm not sure how to check "rollover text" on the image. Again, though, could another DYK reviewer sanity-check this review, as it is my first? Cheers, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 23:02, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Some of the phrasing in this article is too close to the source, and should be either quoted directly or rephrased. For example, "to provide salary and direct experimental support for women cardiac surgical trainees who wish to acquire investigational skills" is quite close to "to provide salary and/or direct experimental support for women cardiac surgical trainees who wish to acquire investigational skills". Nikkimaria (talk) 14:35, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Isn't that what the public domain attribution is for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hildabast (talk • contribs) 15:00, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

The public domain attribution applies only to sources in the public domain, like the National Library of Medicine website; other sources in the article (like this one from which the quote above is taken) are copyrighted and so are not covered by that attribution. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:34, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

I've fixed the (mostly minor) instances of close paraphrasing from all the online, non-paywalled sources. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 21:23, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@ChandniJP: This is such a great hook, I'm tempted to approve it on good faith based on the previous comments, but the original author is the one who has access to the paywall sources, so (personally) I'd need to hear from them that they've done a double-check. --Rosekelleher (talk) 21:54, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

I checked all of the sources except for these two that I could not access: It will work: the first successful mitral valve replacement and Use of tissue culture techniques to evaluate new materials developed to serve as artificial heart linings. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 20:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

The first ref, It will work: the first successful mitral valve replacement, shows an abstract which confirms the facts stated in the article, with no copyvio. The second ref is behind a paywall. Yoninah (talk) 19:50, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I reckon this DYK nomination is now OK. I removed the single lengthy sentence cited to the second source queried above because it very much duplicated the previous sentence, referenced to a different source. The image is in the public domain and I think all the other DYK requirements are now met. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:03, 22 May 2015 (UTC)