Template:Did you know nominations/Rosa Lemberg

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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by BorgQueen (talk) 14:18, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Rosa Lemberg

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Rosa Lemberg in 1889

~~... that Rosa Lemberg (pictured) became in 1899 the first African-born person who received Finnish citizenship?~~ Source: https://sites.utu.fi/intertwined-histories/lessons-to-learn-from-the-story-of-rosa/
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Created by Juustila (talk). Self-nominated at 13:19, 27 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Rosa Lemberg; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - The hook fact is good but it's poorly-worded, recommend taking a look at that

Image eligibility:

Freely licensed:
Used in article: - The image is not used in the article.
Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Some issues listed above. No QPQ required as nom has 0 DYK credits. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Hmm, how about:

ALT1: ~~... that in 1899, Rosa Lemberg (pictured) became the first African-born person to receive Finnish citizenship?~~ Source: https://sites.utu.fi/intertwined-histories/lessons-to-learn-from-the-story-of-rosa/ EytanMelech (talk) 13:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- @EytanMelech: that hook is much better, and the image is now used in the article. I forgot to leave a notice on the nom's talk page when I reviewed this so I've gone ahead and done that now. I will also leave them a ping here; @Juustila: how does this hook sound to you? PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:48, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
  - @EytanMelech:@PCN02WPS:I think this one is much better now than the original. Juustila (talk) 02:14, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
    - Thanks! Glad to help. EytanMelech (talk) 02:16, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
      - Awesome! Sounds like we're good with ALT1 then. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:04, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
@Juustila, EytanMelech, and PCN02WPS: looking at the source seems to undercut the verification – the source cited in this nom explicitly says that her status as being “the first [Finnish African]” cannot be confirmed as a historical fact. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:22, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron:Well, is this better source?
  ALT2: ... that in 1899, Rosa Lemberg (pictured) became the first African-born person to receive Finnish citizenship? Source: https://helda.helsinki.fi/server/api/core/bitstreams/914887dc-8d13-4305-89a0-7a6e03f52b03/content Juustila (talk) 12:56, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
  - @Juustila: the language used in the source that was pointed out by Theleekycauldron makes me think that we may need to look for another fact altogether, though I could be wrong - I'll defer to her expertise either way. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:10, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
    - that'd be my recommendation as well :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:59, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
      - @Juustila: did you see the above? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:56, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
        without action from the nominator, and without a viable hook, I'm not sure that this nomination can proceed. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
        I'm sorry. I simply lost interest in further promoting this as a DYK candidate when it became so incredibly complicated. Forget the whole damn thing.Juustila (talk) 04:19, 24 September 2023 (UTC)