Template:Did you know nominations/Roxham Road
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 18:26, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
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Roxham Road
Refugees crossing the border
- ... that the many refugees (pictured) who have entered Canada via Roxham Road at the border between New York and Quebec since 2017 may not have been breaking any laws? Source: "Second, Canadian immigration law, unlike U.S. law, doesn’t say you’ve committed a breach if you didn’t enter at a designated port of entry. It says that should you enter in some other way, you must go without delay to a port of entry. And that’s precisely what the asylum seekers do: They get arrested by border guards, who promptly escort them to the nearest port of entry. So what rule are they breaking exactly?" The Atlantic, May 2018
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that, contrary to public perception, refugees began crossing into Canada at Roxham Road (pictured) before the Trump administration?Source: "Leuprecht said Trump may have had a "multiplier effect" on asylum-seekers entering Canada but he's not the prime cause of the spike in irregular border crossings. Many politicians and critics of Trump's policies have blamed the U.S. president for the increase in irregular crossings — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau included." CBC News, December 12, 2019 - ALT2:... that Roxham Road has become a metonym for Canada's national immigration debate due to the many refugees who cross the border irregularly there (pictured)? Source: "Despite many Canadians' revulsion at the treatment of migrants and refugees in the United States, the large number of refugees fleeing that treatment by entering Canada 'irregularly' led Roxham Road to become a kind of symbol for Canada's loss of control of its borders" Country Fiche: Canada, European Commission, January 2021, p. 10
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- Reviewed: Marie Antoinette with a Rose
- Comment: I have more to do on this and may add more hooks and swap in a different image
Further comment: Hey, maybe we could run this on the Main Page on July 1 (Canada Day)?Actually, forget it, that queue looks pretty full already. Daniel Case (talk) 19:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self-nominated at 23:58, 15 June 2021 (UTC).
@Daniel Case:, I notice that you're still making edits to the article as of today. Do you have many changes planned before a review begins? Flibirigit (talk) 23:10, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit: I have more to add, but what I've already written is pretty much going to stay that way. Daniel Case (talk) 01:02, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- Alright. I will start a full review on the weekend. Flibirigit (talk) 01:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Doing... Sorry for the delay. I will post a full review today. Flibirigit (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Alright. I will start a full review on the weekend. Flibirigit (talk) 01:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit: I have more to add, but what I've already written is pretty much going to stay that way. Daniel Case (talk) 01:02, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
| General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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| Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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| Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px. |
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| QPQ: Done. |
Overall: 
Overall the article is in great condition and I have only minor questions on ALT0 and ALT1. Five fold expansion began on June 8 and article was nominated within seven days. Article length and sourcing are adequate. Article is neutral in tone and no plagiarism was detected. All photos used in the article are freely licensed on the Commons. The image in the nomination is used in the articleand clear at a low resolution. QPQ requirement is complete. ALT0 is hooky, but the wording in the hook is inconsistent with the wording used in the "Canadian asylum law" section. Specifically the hook seems fine, but I cannot verify the wording "Since most refugees are taken to customs". The cited source mentions no number of refugees which are taken to customs, so I find this confusing. ALT1 is interesting, but I cannot find any similarly worded statement such as "contrary to public perception" in the Roxham Road article. Have I missed it somewhere? ALT2 is interesting, properly mentioned and cited in the article and would be approved. Flibirigit (talk) 00:38, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit: I have added wording to the relevant sections inline to support the hooks. (BTW, if you give me a little more time, I may even have an ALT3 if you're OK reviewing it, although of course I totally agree the original hook is the hookiest and of course I'd love to see it used (it will get the most clicks, I'm sure) with the picture if possible ... but that's not something we decide here). Daniel Case (talk) 20:28, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- I am open to other hooks proposed and if you want more time, that is fine by me. I will look at the recent changes later today.Flibirigit (talk) 16:14, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- I am satisfied with the recent changes which now support ALT0, so that hook would be approved in addition to ALT2. I am still struggling with ALT1 though. Is there a citation which specifically states "public perception" is that border crossings began in 2017 with the Trump administration? I will still consider any other proposed hooks. Flibirigit (talk) 01:58, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
- Still working on the article despite the long holiday weekend. I reworded ALT1 to be more specific to Canadian politicians. Daniel Case (talk) 05:07, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- I am satisfied with the recent changes which now support ALT0, so that hook would be approved in addition to ALT2. I am still struggling with ALT1 though. Is there a citation which specifically states "public perception" is that border crossings began in 2017 with the Trump administration? I will still consider any other proposed hooks. Flibirigit (talk) 01:58, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
- I am open to other hooks proposed and if you want more time, that is fine by me. I will look at the recent changes later today.Flibirigit (talk) 16:14, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit: I have added wording to the relevant sections inline to support the hooks. (BTW, if you give me a little more time, I may even have an ALT3 if you're OK reviewing it, although of course I totally agree the original hook is the hookiest and of course I'd love to see it used (it will get the most clicks, I'm sure) with the picture if possible ... but that's not something we decide here). Daniel Case (talk) 20:28, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- ALT1a:...
that, contrary to Justin Trudeau and other Canadian politicians, refugees began crossing into Canada at Roxham Road (pictured) before the Trump administration?Source: "Leuprecht said Trump may have had a "multiplier effect" on asylum-seekers entering Canada but he's not the prime cause of the spike in irregular border crossings. Many politicians and critics of Trump's policies have blamed the U.S. president for the increase in irregular crossings — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau included." CBC News, December 12, 2019
- I have reformatted the change to ALT1 into an ALT1a. It is important to keep rejected hooks visible for other reviewers, promoters and administrators to see the entire conversation and progression. I have also struck the original ALT1 due to the wording "public perception" not being supported. I will have a look at ALT1s shortly. Flibirigit (talk) 14:02, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- I have struck ALT1a since I cannot verify that Trudeau did or does feel that refugees began crossing in 2015, and I cannot figure out who the "other Canadian politicians" are. Flibirigit (talk) 14:17, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- I have reformatted the change to ALT1 into an ALT1a. It is important to keep rejected hooks visible for other reviewers, promoters and administrators to see the entire conversation and progression. I have also struck the original ALT1 due to the wording "public perception" not being supported. I will have a look at ALT1s shortly. Flibirigit (talk) 14:02, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
I am approving ALT0 and ALT2 as per my review above. The size of this article has now grown to a point that I don't have the time to continually revisit new updates, and I feel it is best to give approval for the two hooks above and move on. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 14:17, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
