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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:26, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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Russell Wilson (mayor)

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  • ... that after Russell Wilson suffered two strokes he was granted a leave of absence by Saskatoon's city council and thus became the shortest serving mayor in the city's history?

Created by Big iron (talk). Nominated by Skr15081997 (talk) at 12:11, 23 June 2014 (UTC).

  • I have no idea what a "heart stroke" is, and the article doesn't contain the string heart. EEng (talk) 02:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I have removed the word heart from the hook.--Skr15081997 (talk) 03:40, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Article is new enough, long enough, neutral, properly cited, and free of close paraphrasing, copyright violations, and plagiarism. Hook is short enough, interesting, and cited with an inline citation, and does not focus unduly on negative aspects of living people. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 02:56, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Pulled from prep owing to close paraphrasing. I've currently only checked the PD source, but owing to how prevalent the issue is I think pulling was necessary. Example: Article: ""died at home three weeks later on November 13 at the age of 72." source: "died in his home three weeks later, on Friday November 13, at the age of 72." — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:28, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
This touches on another concern I've had for a while now, which is that there seems to be a misunderstanding among DYK regulars as to what constitutes a close paraphrasing problem. As Crisco mentions, the source is PD anyway, but even if not, this doesn't constitute close paraphrase -- this is a classic case of WP:LIMITED. EEng (talk) 14:29, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Sorry, nixed the first clause in that statement; the highlighted issue is from the second source (which I read while still writing that comment). There are several great cases for WP:LIMITED in the text "He married X", etc. This is not one of them, nor is the structure of the paragraph this clause is in (read the two sentence by sentence and you'll see what I mean). Reworking here is trivial, nothing near what WP:LIMITED refers to. For instance, "on November 13, three weeks after his stroke, Wilson died at his home. He was aged 72." — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:39, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
The example you gave originally is certainly allowable, but the paragraph as a whole, as you now point out, is flat-out not OK, especially in the copying of the peculiar phrase "acclaimed as mayor". EEng (talk) 15:06, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
EEng, I have removed the close paraphrasing present in the article. The PDF source provides us most of the info about him. Since this article is a biography you will obviously find almost the same chronological pattern.--Skr15081997 (talk) 10:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
EEng or Crisco 1492, can any one of you review the article now.Skr15081997 (talk) 09:43, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
  • @Crisco 1492: I have removed the close paraphrasing issues almost a week ago, please review the article again.--Skr15081997 (talk) 08:45, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Still looks a little close. The easiest way to deal with close paraphrasing of the structural variety is to find information from another source which expands on what your first source told you. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that a bank account belonging to former mayor of Saskatoon, Russell Wilson, was unclaimed since 1929?
  • I like the unclaimed money, though we don't know if it's still unclaimed:
ALT2 ... that a bank account belonging to former mayor of Saskatoon, Russell Wilson, went unclaimed for 77 years?

EEng (talk) 01:28, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

  • @EEng: your hook is better than mine. Can you review the article?--Skr15081997 (talk) 06:12, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Hey Skr, I agree with Crisco that the structure is still quite close to that of FN2. However, it looks like there's some details in FN1 that could be incorporated to help deal with that. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:13, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
  • @Nikkimaria: thanks for the suggestion. I have added a few words from the first source, which is in PD. After doing a bit of copyediting I feel that the issue has been resolved.--Skr15081997 (talk) 06:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
New review needed for the new hook and checking close paraphrasing.--Skr15081997 (talk) 15:14, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Close-paraphrasing has been cleared up; other elements of the earlier review are still valid. Unfortunately neither of the new hooks are accurate. The account remains unclaimed. If either ALT1 or ALT2 is slightly reworded I can pass this (I'm not going to reword either and pass it as I don't want this ruled out on a technicality; poor Russell Wilson has been languishing here for 2 months) Belle (talk) 11:13, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

  • @Belle:Thanks for the review, my dear. We don't know whether the account is still unclaimed or not, hence such hooks have been proposed. The page has been moved to a new title and so I have made the necessary changes to the hooks and credits. Thanks.--Skr15081997 (talk) 11:48, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
    The article used as the source specifically says that the account is still unclaimed: "This thing will be here 200 years from now if they don't change the rules," Mr. Apesland said (great name, Mr Apesland). If you want to hedge because it might have been claimed in the month and half since the article was published, the hooks will still need to changing to make that clear. Belle (talk) 12:09, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT3 ... that in 2006 it was found that a bank account belonging to former mayor of Saskatoon, Russell Wilson, had been unclaimed since 1929?
@Belle:The source says that it was unclaimed for the last 77 years. 77 years from 1929 lead to 2006. The article doesn't has a date on it. Someone might have claimed the account in the last 8 years. Google search didn't reveal anything more than the article used as the source. If the hook says that the account is still unclaimed it might be pulled from the prep or the queues for the lack of the exact fact in the cited source. If you can think of any other hook please tell me.--Skr15081997 (talk) 14:05, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
The original hook or ALT3 is fine; ALT3 might turn up a claimant though (in which case we should get a finder's fee). Belle (talk) 00:10, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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