Template:Did you know nominations/Stuyvesant Apartments

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The result was: rejected by Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 00:45, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Stuyvesant Apartments

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... that George Custer's widow was in a fire in New York's first apartment building?

ALT1:... that New York's first apartment building was built in the 1860s?
ALT2:... that The Stuyvesant was New York's first apartment building?

Created by Anna Frodesiak (talk), Beyond My Ken (talk). Nominated by Revent (talk) at 11:18, 15 February 2015 (UTC).

This article has been created within the seven day requirement. It is long enough, interesting topic, cites in-line sources, and presents a neutral point of view. The main hook is interesting, well below the 200 character limit and is supported by an in-line citation. The images are good and taken from the Historic American Building Survey, which has been accepted as in the public domain. I am in the process of checking for plagiarism, close paraphrasing and copyvios. Bruin2 (talk) 03:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I have reviewed the citations that I can find on the Internet, and there appear to be no copyvios, close paraphrasing or plagiarism issues. I did find a couple of possible problems that are not covered by the DYK review requirements, but which you may want to correct:

Reference 6 has a hot link that apparently led to the wrong article.
Reference 8 actually refers to content of a book, but is hot-linked to a Wikipedia article that describes that book. I think the book information should be shown in a separate section (e. g. Sources). Then, the in-line citation in your text would simply read "Burrows and Wallace, p. 971.

Although all three hooks meet the length requirements and are supported by in-line citations, the main hook attracted my attention more than the other two, but in looking at the references, I found it interesting that General Custer's widow and sister both escaped unharmed during the same fire. I'd suggest as an alternate to the main hook:

ALT3 ... that the widow and sister of General George Custer both escaped unharmed from a fire at the Stuyvesant Apartments?

Otherwise, I think this article is ready to move on. Its a well-done presentation and I enjoyed the opportunity to review it.Bruin2 (talk) 05:47, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

@Bruin2: @Anna Frodesiak: (tossing a ping at Anna so she sees your comments, which are good) I like your hook better than the ones I came up with, I think it's a better wording. Haven't had much practice writing them, hence the 'several options'. The other 'interesting tidbits' I found (the architect also designed the base for the Statue of Liberty, for example) are a bit out of the scope of this particular article. Revent^talk 07:57, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Glancing closer, the NYT article (ref 6) actually is on the linked page, it just starts in the left column about halfway down. There is a ton of whitespace in that PDF. The link in Ref 8 is actually included in the 'source-specific' citation template used, {{cite gotham}}, not in this article itself. Revent^talk 09:25, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

As per Eligibility criteria 3a, hook facts must be mentioned in the article. While the article does mention the apartments being the first in New York, both mentions are qualified mentions (" first apartment building in the city intended for the middle class" and "first-middle class apartment in the city"). The information in the article needs to be properly aligned with the hook fact, either by removing the "middle class" qualification from the article (Do any apartments for either the rich or poor predate this set of apartments?) or adding the qualification to the hook facts. ALT3 suffers a similar problem, Custer's sister does not appear to be mentioned anywhere in the article. The strangest thing is the article's source appear to support the stronger claims. --Allen3 ^talk 14:12, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Revent: Nearing the two week mark here, care to fix the hook? Fuebaey (talk) 01:08, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Another week has gone by and while the nominator has been active on Wikipedia there have been no edits to either the article or this nomination. As a result, this nomination appears to have been abandoned and should be closed. --Allen3 ^talk 12:29, 22 April 2015 (UTC)