Template:Did you know nominations/Wainui Falls
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:41, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
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Wainui Falls
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Wainui Falls
- ... that, in Māori mythology, the severed tail of a taniwha which fell at the base of the Wainui Falls (pictured) is thought to be responsible for staining the rocks downstream reddish-brown with its blood? Source:"Takaka Maori believed that in its death throes the monster's tail landed in a pool at the foot of the Wainui Falls, about three kilometres distant from his cave. '"The rusty red-brown staining of the Wainui River waters downstream from this point is attributed to the seepage of blood from the severed tail of the monster."
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that, in Māori mythology, the severed tail of a taniwha landed in the pool at the base of the Wainui Falls (pictured)?Source: same as above
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- Note: I created the redirect in December, but converted it to an article on the 8th Jan.
- Reviewed: Only 4th Nom (though I did review John Minsterworth previously as well).
Created/expanded by Insertcleverphrasehere (talk). Self-nominated at 13:58, 8 January 2018 (UTC).
On it.
G2G with ALT0. New enough; long enough (~1.7k elig. chars... [well, ok, 1.5k now but still just over the line]); little bits of malformatted templates ({{convert}} sometimes needs |adj=onor|abbr=onto read correctly) but that's easy to fix (done); some less-than-stellar sources like Tripadvisor but it's DYK, not GA, and better to have them than not [well, wait... the TA link was just sourcing Tripadvisor's own internet rating for the walk, which is nonencyclopedic/nonnotable and doesn't belong in the article—fixed]; there was some needless copyvio from a NZ park page, but it's simple enough to fix (done); the hook itself is from a WP:RS; some grammar and phrasing problems in the hook, but easily fixed (done); lovely picture added by the article creator (and thank you for that =) ).
It's up to you but I would remove those links to Maori mythology and taniwha; you're just going to syphon away people who would otherwise be happy to click to your article, enjoy your photo, and maybe even learn about the falls before going on to the cultural/biological bits they were hooked by at first.
Thank you for the photo, the lovely addition to Wikipedia, and the links from related articles. =) You might want to see if there's also a place to mention and link the waterfall from the article on the surrounding park. — LlywelynII 15:58, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks very much LlywelynII, I've removed the link to Maori Mythology, but left the one to taniwha. I'll look into getting a link in over at Abel Tasman National Park. Thanks for rewording that sentence that was a little too much like the one at the DOC. As for Tripadvisor, I assumed it would be useful to the reader, but I suppose that it will be better to have some reviews from travel books etc. that are more reliable sources. I remember seeing some lonely planet guidebooks and similar in google books that might be useful, I'll get on that at some point soon. Cheers. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 18:39, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- No, no, no, no. Thank you again for your work and keeping the readers in mind but none of that guidebook stuff, except as external links. Without finding the exact policy (WP:NOADVERTISING? WP:BEENCYCLOPEDIC? probably sth in the middle of WP:NOT...), (1) the place for that material is the sister project at Wikitravel and (2) whenever style questions like this come up a good rough guide is to think of the most popular and heavily-edited article similar to yours you can think of and see what they're doing. Yellowstone, Stonehenge, Black Forest. There might be one or two odd facts sourced to a guidebook like Lonely Planet's but no one is including travel reviews, ratings, or the like. It's a waterfall, not a video game.
I suppose you could go out of your way to format it in an encyclopedic way, like a heavily-referenced #Popular reception or #Reviews section that does treat Trip Advisor & a series of similar sites (to avoid favoritism) like a video game or TV show review. It seems like a lot of effort for something that'll probably get nixed by another editor down the road, though. It's just an area a little too commercial and opinion-based to be in Wikipedia's wheelhouse. — LlywelynII 21:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)- Thank you for your advice LlywelynII, I will review other similar articles as you have suggested. I am not familiar with writing articles for geographic places, and am, indeed, more familiar with Video game/tv show/biographical articles. I will consider down the road weather a #Popular reception or #Reviews section is appropriate, as I intend quite a few more expansions to this article and hope to get it up to at least GA status. In any case, I think it would be better to leave addition of such a section to after the rest is fleshed out quite a bit more to avoid the feel of promotional favouritism. Also, thanks for rewriting the hook subtly, it is quite mysterious and a good hook I think. I also like that the photo is a bit reddish brown at the bottom to support the hook even more. Cheers! — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 22:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- You're quite welcome and good on you for your future plans. I don't see similar treatment at similar and more heavily-edited articles, but you're right that WP:READER is really the heart of the project. A generation of Yelp &c. reviewers might want Wiki to include an overview of such stuff, and you might be the vanguard of that change. I'll just leave it between you, your future good-article reviewer, and whoever at WP:MOS ends up getting involved; the article is still long enough for DYK without that paragraph so it doesn't affect anything here. =) — LlywelynII 22:28, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for your advice LlywelynII, I will review other similar articles as you have suggested. I am not familiar with writing articles for geographic places, and am, indeed, more familiar with Video game/tv show/biographical articles. I will consider down the road weather a #Popular reception or #Reviews section is appropriate, as I intend quite a few more expansions to this article and hope to get it up to at least GA status. In any case, I think it would be better to leave addition of such a section to after the rest is fleshed out quite a bit more to avoid the feel of promotional favouritism. Also, thanks for rewriting the hook subtly, it is quite mysterious and a good hook I think. I also like that the photo is a bit reddish brown at the bottom to support the hook even more. Cheers! — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 22:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- No, no, no, no. Thank you again for your work and keeping the readers in mind but none of that guidebook stuff, except as external links. Without finding the exact policy (WP:NOADVERTISING? WP:BEENCYCLOPEDIC? probably sth in the middle of WP:NOT...), (1) the place for that material is the sister project at Wikitravel and (2) whenever style questions like this come up a good rough guide is to think of the most popular and heavily-edited article similar to yours you can think of and see what they're doing. Yellowstone, Stonehenge, Black Forest. There might be one or two odd facts sourced to a guidebook like Lonely Planet's but no one is including travel reviews, ratings, or the like. It's a waterfall, not a video game.
- Thanks very much LlywelynII, I've removed the link to Maori Mythology, but left the one to taniwha. I'll look into getting a link in over at Abel Tasman National Park. Thanks for rewording that sentence that was a little too much like the one at the DOC. As for Tripadvisor, I assumed it would be useful to the reader, but I suppose that it will be better to have some reviews from travel books etc. that are more reliable sources. I remember seeing some lonely planet guidebooks and similar in google books that might be useful, I'll get on that at some point soon. Cheers. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 18:39, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
