Template:Did you know nominations/Yazh Nool

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The result was: promoted by Mifter (talk) 19:09, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Yazh Nool

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~~... that Yazh Nool is considered a monumental work on musical heritage to Yazh?~~Source: Lal, Mohan (1992). Encyclopaedia of Indian Literature: Sasay to Zorgot. Volume 5 of Encyclopaedia of Indian literature. Sahitya Akademi. ISBN 9788126012213.

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Created/expanded by AntanO (talk). Self-nominated at 02:40, 3 January 2017 (UTC).

Good to Go - Article is ready for DYK, with a foreign-language offline hook reference accepted in good faith. It is new enough, long enough (over 1700 characters) and within policy. Hook and QPQ are good. --Doug Coldwell (talk)

The article needs a copyedit for English grammar. I edited the lead, but can't make sense of the next section, with these sentences:
Silappatikaram was depicted the context about Tri-Tamil. However, it was not accurately defined the details about music or it was difficult to interpret the context to modern Tamil, and many Tamil scholars were tried to explain musical minuteness detail from Silappatikaram. Even though, there were gaps to revel the knowledge. ...and so on...
Yoninah (talk) 20:57, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Changes made. --Antan O 02:48, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for working on this. I notice that another editor also tried to help with the English grammar. I still wasn't able to understand the section about the Silappatikaram so I edited it some more. Please look it over to see if it is correct. I also added a "citation needed" tag in the lead for the statement that this is the first musical research book on yazh. Please note that the character count is now 1499. Could you add a little more to the page to bring it over 1500 characters? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:22, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

I have made some changes and expansion. Could you see that you could able to understand the section. If not, I can elaborate more. --Antan O 13:16, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I smoothed out some things that didn't make sense and deleted the sentence about the chapter names of the book. I added another reference. In future, it would be a good idea for you to add the English translation of the Arabic references you are using. Please see WP:Citing sources for a template.
At this point, it's a "start-class" article and is ready for DYK. The hook, though, is not so hooky. May I suggest something a little sharper, like:
ALT1: ... that Yazh Nool, an important research work on the ancient Tamil musical instrument known as yazh, describes six types of forgotten instruments?
ALT2: ~~... that Swami Vipulananda spent 14 years researching Yazh Nool, an important treatise on the ancient Tamil musical instrument known as yazh?~~ Yoninah (talk) 15:07, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I prefer ALT1. --Antan O 15:10, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Great. Since I added information to the hook, I can't approve it. Calling on another reviewer to approve ALT1. Yoninah (talk) 17:32, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, I cannot see all the facts for ALT1 in the source cited (unless its in Tamil). Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:35, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Hmm. You're right. I also can't find the reference to the six types of instruments in other online sources. @AntanO: can you provide another source? Otherwise, we can go with ALT2. Yoninah (talk) 13:07, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Can we go with ALT? --Antan O 21:40, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

@AntanO: We could go with ALT2, but we'll have to remove the citation from the paragraph in which the 6 instruments are listed, because this information doesn't appear in the source given. Then that paragraph would be lacking a citation and would need another one, per Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 23:10, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I have added a reference it says various yazhs, not six yazhs. But there are plenty of Tamil sources say 6 yazhs and book itself describes six yazhs. --Antan O 02:56, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

We could modify the article as per current reference and alter ALT1 as:

ALT1a: ~~... that Yazh Nool, an important research work on the ancient Tamil musical instrument known as yazh, describes various forgotten instruments?~~
ALT1b: ~~... that Yazh Nool, an important research work on the ancient Tamil musical instrument known as yazh, describes various yazhs?~~

--Antan O 02:59, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

IMO ALT2 is more hooky. Yoninah (talk) 11:38, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Like --Antan O 11:59, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

@AntanO: before we ask for someone to review my ALT2 hook, we really have to sort out the referencing in the paragraph under Description. I removed one source that didn't say anything that you wrote in the article, and left the second one which only mentions one kind of yazh instrument that Vipulananda talked about in his book. Please give us another source that mentions one or more other instruments so we can verify that the books talks about "different types" of forgotten yazh instruments. If you are able to find a source that actually names the 6 instruments, we can restore that sentence to the article. It's okay to cite the book itself. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 14:21, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Done--Antan O 15:05, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Now ALT1 is back in the running. Calling on another reviewer to approve ALT1 (my preference) or ALT2. Yoninah (talk) 16:21, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Approving ALT1, now cited to an offline source, and replacing tick. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:38, 11 February 2017 (UTC)