Template talk:2022 FIFA World Cup group tables

Can we fix this so it doesn't force spurious results?

@S.A. Julio and Dave Ondzuls: Currently for Group H we claim that Portugal and Ghana are advancing to the knockout stage, while Uruguay and South Korea failed to get past the group stage, before a single game has been played. Can we fix the tables so that they don't spuriously predict who's going to win the match before it's played? — kwami (talk) 04:11, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on claiming results before they happen

The way the tables are set up, they show the results before they occur, which would violate CRYSTAL if it were intentional, but is simply because they tables are not set up to display ongoing events. For example, currently for Group H, before a single game has been played, we claim that Portugal and Ghana are advancing to the knockout stage, while Uruguay and South Korea failed to get past the group stage. — kwami (talk) 08:11, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I tagged the template with {speculation} until the tables could be fixed (that was the tag closest to appropriate that I could find), and was reverted because "these tables are standard for all sports events," and told not to make changes to widely viewed templates, "especially if it's just because you're personally confused." But it's precisely the most widely viewed errors where the need for correction is most urgent, and it's not a matter of confusion. I understand that the problem is in the table setup, but that doesn't excuse making false statements. — kwami (talk) 08:12, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's being discussed here (please weigh in there if you care) and there is a suggestion below. — AjaxSmack 16:08, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest changing text to "Top two advance..."

The requests above and several more at Talk:2022 FIFA World Cup indicate it's confusing for readers when the matches aren't all finished as it appears two teams have already advanced. Changing the wording to "Top two advance to knockout stage" from "Advance to knockout stage" would clarify this and would be simple to implement. Facts707 (talk) 12:13, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's not going to be something specific to just world cup group Stages, I'd suggest you'd want to make such a change to the module. My suggestion is to have any place where the matches haven't been played yet have "position" placed, like "position advances to knockout stage", or "position qualifies for the Champions League" or similar. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:19, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It may not be clear what that means. I think Facts707's proposal is clearer. — kwami (talk) 18:47, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]