Template talk:Bibleref

This template was considered for deletion on 2006 June 18. The result of the discussion was "withdrawn by nominator".

Etiquette

Please don't change the default translation in this template; by the time you do so it is likely that many (I hope) pages will have been written or updated assuming the original default.
When someone supplies a translation number in a use on some Wikipedia page, please don't change it without discussion and consensus on the corresponding talk page.

Other

It would be nice to reference translations by name, but I can't immediately see how to do that. --David.alex.lamb 16:52, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bias

I have some concerns that the website that the template links to (BibleGateway) only lists Conservative Protestant translations. None of the more critical modern translations are listed, and nor are any Catholic, Jewish, or Jehovah's witness, translations listed.

Major Translations that Bible Gateway does NOT list:

New Jewish Publication Society of America Version (Old Testament only)
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (Jehovah's witnesses)
New Jerusalem Bible (Catholic)
New American Bible (Catholic)
New Living Translation (Evangelical)
New Revised Standard Version (Critical and Ecumenical, also officially accepted by Catholics, Protestants, and the Orthodox)

Is it possible to create a page somehow, like Special:Booksources for online Bible translations? That would be more neutral, I think.

This is, for example, noticable with Sirach 1:1, which doesn't exist in Protestant bibles but does in Catholic, Orthodox, and Jewish ones. Clinkophonist 13:19, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New Living Translation and New Revised Standard Version are now included. See http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/ Afaprof01 01:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There also no Eastern Orthodox translation. --Ephilei (talk) 18:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are very few soources which supply verses from the Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical works. In particular, although the King James Bible does include the Apocrypha, these books are excluded by the source used for the KJV. Perhaps there could be a more inclusive online KJV which could be used? TomS TDotO (talk) 18:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

{{bverse}} uses biblestudytools.com, which includes several versions of the Apocrypha including NRSV, and the Complete Jewish Bible. I'm not familiar enough with Orthodox or JW translations to recognise them on that site (following on from the above, there is NRSV but no New World). I also don't know what the copyright status of that website is. Hairy Dude (talk) 03:12, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. But I see that I didn't make my difficulty clear. I was in the process of expanding on the article Non-canonical books referenced in the Bible by making references from the Apocrypha. My intent was to follow the pattern established in the article, which used the template "bibleref", which gives pointers to many different versions of the Bible for a particular passage. However, this template gives only a very few versions for passages from the Apocrypha (in particular, it does not give the KJV for the Apocrypha). My understanding (which may be mistaken - I'd be happy to hear that I am wrong!) is that the template "bibleverse" requires that one specify one particular version, rather than a range of versions as "bibleref" does. My solution to my difficulty was to stick with "bibleref" and its impoverished selection of versions of the Apocrypha, and to supplement that with a link to Wikisource, which gives more versions (but not of individual passages), including the KJV, of the Apocrypha. TomS TDotO (talk) 13:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bug

Spaces need to be replaced with underscores or something on the linking bit

{{bibleref|2_Samuel|1:1}} = 2_Samuel 1:1
{{bibleref|2 Samuel|1:1}} = Samuel%201:1&version=31 2 Samuel 1:1

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Clinkophonist (talk • contribs) 16:10, April 12, 2006

We still have issues with spaces.

{{bibleref|2_Samuel|1:1,22}}* = 2_Samuel 1:1,22
{{bibleref|2_Samuel|1:1, 22}}* = 2_Samuel 1:1, 22

Phatom87 ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:17, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See merge discussion on Bibleverse template

Template talk:Bibleverse is in my mind a more general template, and if merging were to occur it would be into that one, not into this one. It for instance allows for non-biblegateway.com sources, which have been commented on above. Ans e ll 23:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the problem with Template:Bibleverse is that it is more complicated - its not as easy to write. If you are doing several references at once, its much nicer having less to write. Clinkophonist 15:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is the ease of writing worth the hassle of both maintaining two templates, and using two templates for what is essentially one purpose (bibleverse is more general). Ans e ll Review my progress! 00:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note

I've recreated the template as a shorthand for template:bibleverse which is too complicated if you like doing things quickly. Clinkophonist 18:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind that whenever you use a book such as 1 Corinthians, it will fail as the 1 is put in the wrong bibleverse parameter. There is only one pipe character difference between this and bibleverse. I do not see how that is too hard for someone to learn. The extra parameter is for the books in the 1/2 type situation. Ansell 01:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

It won't fail - you just can't put a space between the 1 (or 2) and teh book name. (ie 1Corinthians)

Notification about Wikipedia:Citing sources/Bible

I stumbled upon an advertisement for this page which an editor had convieniently placed on a user talk page without remembering to put a link to it here. Vote stacking is bad, but this is a relevant discussion to this template, and hence I am doing this here and not on selected talk pages. Ansell 10:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Please see at the very top of this page. There is an infobox up there about the discussion. There is a link in the infobox on the template page itself - Template:Bibleref. The link was also given on the TFD. I seriously doubt there was any intent to exclude anyone. Please remember to assume good faith. BigDT 14:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The above mentioned discussion has since been closed. —Telpardec TALK 04:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Links

{{editprotected}} The link to The Message needs to be disambiguated to The Message (Bible). The link to ABS almost certainly should be disambiguated to American Bible Society, although that line of the template is not particularly clear anyway. --Russ (talk) 20:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --- RockMFR 22:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Modification to the template

I propose modifying the template to link to wikipedia in the text and create a footnote that links to a few different versions plus the tool on usyd.edu.au which shows multiple versions. For example:

[Multiple transclusions to user sandbox removed - content has changed]

There is an example of the proposed complete replacement for {{bibleref}}. You can see the code in my user sandbox which will be modified to handle all the cases that are included in {{bibleverse}} before being implemented.

Note that the template links to the article on the specific verse, if it exists, or to the chapter, if the verse doesn't exist and the chapter does, or to the article on the book. If no article exists even on the book it will link in the text to wikisource. However, the footnote links to various online versions of the Bible - including some that provide excellent tools for study. --Trödel 15:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, what? You seem to have used your personal sandbox to define a template, then overwritten it, making the above incomprehensible. (You also didn't close your box, btw, so I took the liberty of closing your div, which would have forced later comments to go inside the box.) Hairy Dude (talk) 03:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]