Template talk:Infobox basketball biography

Template Needs To Be Cleaned Up

Template should include all parameters. You shouldn't need to add undocumented parameters and the Name of the player should be included within the borders like Template:Infobox NFL biography uses. Batgirl-Awsomeness (talk) 22:07, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Can you please be more specific about the changes you recommend? Also, when I compare LeBron James and Patrick Mahomes both have the player name “outside” the border. Rikster2 (talk) 23:33, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realize that, sorry. Specifically when you add the infobox basketball biography, a good amount of parameters are not automatically generated. You have to add them as undocumented parameters. According to the template page it should have the following categories:

| embed           =

| name            =

| image           =

| image_size      =

| alt             =

| caption         =

| team            =

| number          =

| position        =

| league          =

| conference      =

| birth_date      =

| birth_place     =

| death_date      =

| death_place     =

| nationality     =

| height_ft       =

| height_in       =

| height_cm       =

| height_order    =

| height_footnote =

| weight_lb       =

| weight_kg       =

| weight_order    =

| weight_footnote =

| high_school     =

| college         =

| draft_year      =

| draft_round     =

| draft_pick      =

| draft_team      =

| draft_league    =

| career_start    =

| career_end      =

| career_position =

| career_number   =

| coach_start     =

| coach_end       =

| referee_start   =

| referee_end     =

| years1          =

| team1           =

| years2          =

| team2           =

| years3          =

| team3           =

| years4          =

| team4           =

| years5          =

| team5           =

| years6          =

| team6           =

| years7          =

| team7           =

| years8          =

| team8           =

| years9          =

| team9           =

| years10         =

| team10          =

| years11         =

| team11          =

| years12         =

| team12          =

| years13         =

| team13          =

| years14         =

| team14          =

| years15         =

| team15          =

| years16         =

| team16          =

| years17         =

| team17          =

| years18         =

| team18          =

| years19         =

| team19          =

| years20         =

| team20          =

| years21         =

| team21          =

| years22         =

| team22          =

| years23         =

| team23          =

| years24         =

| team24          =

| years25         =

| team25          =

| years26         =

| team26          =

| years27         =

| team27          =

| years28         =

| team28          =

| years29         =

| team29          =

| years30         =

| team30          =

| years31         =

| team31          =

| years32         =

| team32          =

| years33         =

| team33          =

| years34         =

| team34          =

| years35         =

| team35          =

| years36         =

| team36          =

| years37         =

| team37          =

| years38         =

| team38          =

| years39         =

| team39          =

| years40         =

| team40          =

| cyears1         =

| cteam1          =

| cyears2         =

| cteam2          =

| cyears3         =

| cteam3          =

| cyears4         =

| cteam4          =

| cyears5         =

| cteam5          =

| cyears6         =

| cteam6          =

| cyears7         =

| cteam7          =

| cyears8         =

| cteam8          =

| cyears9         =

| cteam9          =

| cyears10        =

| cteam10         =

| cyears11        =

| cteam11         =

| cyears12        =

| cteam12         =

| cyears13        =

| cteam13         =

| cyears14        =

| cteam14         =

| cyears15        =

| cteam15         =

| cyears16        =

| cteam16         =

| cyears17        =

| cteam17         =

| cyears18        =

| cteam18         =

| cyears19        =

| cteam19         =

| cyears20        =

| cteam20         =

| highlights      =

| stat1label      =

| stat1value      =

| stat2label      =

| stat2value      =

| stat3label      =

| stat3value      =

| stats_league    =

| bbr             =

| bbr_wnba        =

| nbanew          =

| wnba_profile    =

| cstats_league1  =

| cwin1           =

| closs1          =

| cstats_league2  =

| cwin2           =

| closs2          =

| cstats_league3  =

| cwin3           =

| closs3          =

| cstats_league4  =

| cwin4           =

| closs4          =

| cstats_league5  =

| cwin5           =

| closs5          =

| HOF             =

| HOF_player      =

| HOF_coach       =

| womensHOF       =

| FIBA_HOF_player =

| CBBASKHOF_year  =

| medal_templates =

However, most of these parameters are not autogenerated when inserting the template in the visual editor. Batgirl-Awsomeness (talk) 00:44, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

For the name thing, I was thinking about the Template:Infobox baseball biography , I just mixed up the sport. Batgirl-Awsomeness (talk) 00:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't use visual editor. Can you provide an example of a few fields that are not autogenerated? —Bagumba (talk) 04:23, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok. I'll just list most of them to make things easier.

| embed           =

| weight_footnote =

| referee_start   =

| referee_end     =

| years1          =

| team1           =

| years2          =

| team2           =

| years3          =

| team3           =

| years4          =

| team4           =

| years5          =

| team5           =

| years6          =

| team6           =

| years7          =

| team7           =

| years8          =

| team8           =

| years9          =

| team9           =

| years10         =

| team10          =

| years11         =

| team11          =

| years12         =

| team12          =

| years13         =

| team13          =

| years14         =

| team14          =

| years15         =

| team15          =

| years16         =

| team16          =

| years17         =

| team17          =

| years18         =

| team18          =

| years19         =

| team19          =

| years20         =

| team20          =

| years21         =

| team21          =

| years22         =

| team22          =

| years23         =

| team23          =

| years24         =

| team24          =

| years25         =

| team25          =

| years26         =

| team26          =

| years27         =

| team27          =

| years28         =

| team28          =

| years29         =

| team29          =

| years30         =

| team30          =

| years31         =

| team31          =

| years32         =

| team32          =

| years33         =

| team33          =

| years34         =

| team34          =

| years35         =

| team35          =

| years36         =

| team36          =

| years37         =

| team37          =

| years38         =

| team38          =

| years39         =

| team39          =

| years40         =

| team40          =

| cyears1         =

| cteam1          =

| cyears2         =

| cteam2          =

| cyears3         =

| cteam3          =

| cyears4         =

| cteam4          =

| cyears5         =

| cteam5          =

| cyears6         =

| cteam6          =

| cyears7         =

| cteam7          =

| cyears8         =

| cteam8          =

| cyears9         =

| cteam9          =

| cyears10        =

| cteam10         =

| cyears11        =

| cteam11         =

| cyears12        =

| cteam12         =

| cyears13        =

| cteam13         =

| cyears14        =

| cteam14         =

| cyears15        =

| cteam15         =

| cyears16        =

| cteam16         =

| cyears17        =

| cteam17         =

| cyears18        =

| cteam18         =

| cyears19        =

| cteam19         =

| cyears20        =

| cteam20         =

| stat1label      =

| stat1value      =

| stat2label      =

| stat2value      =

| stat3label      =

| stat3value      =

| stats_league    =

| cstats_league1  =

| cwin1           =

| closs1          =

| cstats_league2  =

| cwin2           =

| closs2          =

| cstats_league3  =

| cwin3           =

| closs3          =

| cstats_league4  =

| cwin4           =

| closs4          =

| cstats_league5  =

| cwin5           =

| closs5          =

| HOF_player      =

| HOF_coach       =

Batgirl-Awsomeness (talk) 04:48, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 30 May 2023

In two places the template uses [[Undrafted sportsperson|Undrafted]], creating a line such as "NBA draft 2006 NBA draft / Undrafted", which would be more stylistically correct as "NBA draft 2006 NBA draft / undrafted" without the capitalization.

So, in both places, change [[Undrafted sportsperson|Undrafted]] to [[Undrafted sportsperson|undrafted]]. Dicklyon (talk) 17:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 18:40, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Maybe someone will want to discuss. Other cases worth discussing look like: "1958 / Pick: Territorial" and "1960 / Round: 5 / Pick: 39th overall". It's not clear why so many things are capitalized. Dicklyon (talk) 21:45, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

This really isn't a recommended slash use per MOS:SLASH either, and it's not like it's a common domain format like a baseball slash line. Perhaps we move to something like "1958: territorial pick", "1960: 5th round, 39th overall pick".—Bagumba (talk) 10:33, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Note: Notificiation of this discussion was left at WT:BASKETBALL and WT:NBA.—Bagumba (talk) 10:38, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

I second Bagumba's suggestion. So far nobody else seems to care. Someone who is good at templates can give it a try, or compose an edit request. Dicklyon (talk) 04:50, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth and Bagumba: one of you want to move this forward? Dicklyon (talk) 04:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Done. Slashes removed. —Bagumba (talk) 07:09, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft

Is there a reason why this is formatted differently? American football and ice hockey infoboxes don't format the draft this way. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:30, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

And neither of those is formatted like the other either. The basketball way shows the relevant info (year, round, pick, draft team) and is concise. If we wanted a different format to show that info, great. I would not recommend or support dropping the round (as hockey does) or draft team (as football does) Rikster2 (talk) 14:16, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I would like to keep all the four key factors (year, round, pick, team). I'm not sure we need a change but, I do think the NBA's and NFL's format looks better than the NHL. On a related note, I would like to suggest to not mark the player "Undrafted" unless he decleared for the draft or there are sources mentioning that he wasn't drafted. Alvaldi (talk) 18:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Disagree on "undrafted." players are eligible for exactly one draft in their lives so it is notable that they were not selected, especially if they end up playing in the league that didn't draft them (the filed is used for other leagues beyond the NBA, such as the Philippine Basketball Association). Rikster2 (talk) 15:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

For some random player who never played in the NBA and no sources mention him in relations with the draft or the league, for instance Kostas Tsartsaris, then that field is not needed as the infobox is to summarize key facts about the page's subject. However, for someone like Lenny Cooke for example, it should be used because even though he wasn't drafted and didn't play in the NBA, he declared for the draft. Alvaldi (talk) 16:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

It's a bigger deal for Americans as their "domestic" league, but US sources undoubtedly will mention it if they play in the G League or overseas. It used to be that college seniors were automatically entered in the draft, but COVID and NCAA giving extra eligibility made the NBA require seniors declare. But presumably that reverts back eventually. International players now seem to be eligible once they're 22—don't need to declare. For those players, I can see how it might be trivial if no source ever talked about them as an NBA prospect. —Bagumba (talk) 17:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Native name

Suggesting to include | native_name | native_name_lang options from the mother template, as currently, <br> is used with the name parameter when a person is from a non-Latin using country. Respublik (talk) 18:58, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Nationality

This field is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#For sportspeople. -- Beland (talk) 03:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I vote we just eliminate the field from the infobox. It’s not used in cases where the birth country is the same anyway. The hullabaloo about it is just another case of overreach from those who desire “one size fits all” across WP subjects and is not worth the hassle. Rikster2 (talk) 14:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

On the one hand, people trivially add "French" to Joel Embiid, though his notability is not associated with being Franch. On the other, Dominique Wilkins was born in France (U.S. military parents), but is American, which would be lost without some field, even if not labelled "Nationality". —Bagumba (talk) 05:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

So? This can all be discussed in the lede/prose of the article. If there is to be controversy about something as straightforward as national team participation then it is more trouble than it is worth Rikster2 (talk) 15:38, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Ideally, the lead captures most of the lead. But yeah, drive-by editors mess with infobox fields more than they do prose. So, that's the bright side if it goes. —Bagumba (talk) 17:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)