Template talk:Infobox monarchy

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Do not merge, 2020 April 7, see discussion.
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Merge, 2014 April 2, see discussion.
No consensus, 2013 July 13, see discussion.

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Arms

I moved the arms back to the top of the infobox for the simple reason that it looked graphically strange to see them below the other info, especially in the context of an article. I hope there was no logistical reason to move them to the bottom. --G2bambino 21:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The standard text describing the coat of arms should be disabled or altered. The text used for the Danish monarch is factually incorrect. Nobody uses the term "in right of Denmark" and that's not the worst, the title is factually incorrect. The Danish monarch uses a personal coat of arms which is specified by royal decree as dissimilar to the national coat of arms. This private coat of arms is nothing more than a personal symbol, just like the insignia of a noble family. It doesn't represent her "rights" to anything and the mere term sounds very UK-centric. Valentinian ^{T / C} 21:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My original intentions as the creator of this template was for the Commonwealth realm monarchies, not for other monarchies. However I believe that I can add more "codes" so that non commonwealth monarchies can be included. nat^tang 21:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heir apparent

Shouldn't the infobox have a "Heir Apparent" tag also? --Lholden 01:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would think so, yes. --G2bambino 21:19, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Purple bar

Apart from being completly unneeded its is also wrong this template is not only used on commonwealth counrtries is is used on articles such as Sultan of Selangor and Sultan of Perak where there is no sush thing as The Crown. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 22:49, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is needed, thank you. It differentiates between crown related and ministry related templates, for example.

It says "Crown," not "the Crown." If Sengalor and Perak are monarchies, then what, in English, describes the institution the monarch heads? I can change "Crown" to something else, if we can come up with an appropriate alternative. --G2bambino 23:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:OWN, and you still have not stated why it is needed what ministry related templates are you talking about ?, and so what if it say Crown and not The Crown what other one is it refering to the headgear ? and even then have at look at the pages the template is used in [1] it just looks silly on an aritle like List of emirs of Kuwait and Yang di-Pertuan Agong --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 23:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

sorry to bust your bubble, but Malaysia and its states are part of the commonwealth.... nat ^{Lest We Forget. Remember the sacrifice.} 23:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, Barryrob, one might direct you to have a read of WP:OWN. An example of the ministry template I'm talking about can be seen at Prime Minister of Canada; this similarly works down into the provincial (or, in Australia, state) level, as seen in Premier of Quebec. I don't see the problem with this template, as it stands, being used in List of emirs of Kuwait; as I asked, yet you did not answer, what is the English term for the institution which the Emir of Kuwait heads? Would you rather the bar said "Monarchy" instead of "Crown"? --G2bambino 23:39, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The answer for Kuwait would probably be Monarchy as for mu bubble being burst I was referring to Commonwealth realms where the term The Crown is used I apologies I should have made my point clearer --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 23:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The photoshop template for the bar is on my computer at home; so I'll fix to say "Monarchy" when I get back there tonight. --G2bambino 00:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ta. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 04:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Arms of His/Her Majesty in Right of ?

Another think I do not think this is correct see British monarchy Arms of Her Majesty in Right of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is not the correct title for the Royal coat of arms of the United Kingdom --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 05:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well then, maybe it should be changed so they all read "Royal Coat of Arms of [country]." Either format is correct, however. --G2bambino 15:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could you change it ? I had a look at the syntax and would not know where to start. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 16:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Muhahaha...the Genius of Nat and his confusing syntax...lol...

Done... nat ^{Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?!} 23:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's still wrong. Some of the arms shown are state arms not royal arms. DrKay (talk) 08:14, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In a monarchy, where the sovereign is the state, what's the difference? --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:28, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The arms of the state and the arms of the monarch are not the same, see for example Denmark, Luxembourg, Norway, Spain, the Vatican. Liechtenstein and Sweden have lesser arms that are used as a national coat of arms as well as greater arms that are used as both a national coat of arms and the arms of the monarch. Many of the arms shown on the Commonwealth monarchy articles are not designated as royal arms but as national or state arms. DrKay (talk) 18:36, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I can't comment on arms in countries that aren't Commonwealth realms; but, for those that are, my question still stands: when the monarch is the personification of the state, what's the difference between the arms of the sovereign and the arms of the state? --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 18:47, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We shouldn't assume that the arms of the Commonwealth realms are different from or the same as other states or each other. That would be original research. Arms should only be labelled or presented as royal arms when there are reliable sources saying that they are that. Currently, an assumption is made that in all Commonwealth realms the national arms are royal arms, but given that we know in other countries the national arms are not royal arms, in the absence of a source saying otherwise this is not a safe assumption to make. DrKay (talk) 20:31, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. But I hope that same expectation extends to all those arms you're calling state arms. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 21:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If the arms aren't the sovereign's arms, why are they being shown in the infobox at all? --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 06:31, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Flag

I believe that there should be section in the infobox where the flag of the monarchy is place if necessary. This may allow readers to identify, the subject's flag easily. Maglame 09:33, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Small

The Template:Infobox former monarchy has not "small" (in "Style:" and others). Why this template has small? --IM-yb (talk) 18:31, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New field

I've made a ham-fisted attempt at adding a field to the template and failed. I hope someone with greater ability can add an "armsnote", to allow for a bracketed note below the coat of arms caption. This is being requested specifically for the use of the box at Monarchy of Canada, where the image of Canada's arms being used is (for copyright reasons) not the "official" one, which some editors are concerned about. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:47, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. Qexigator (talk) 18:00, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Miesianiacal and Qexigator: should work now as |armsnote=. Frietjes (talk) 00:31, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 00:40, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

I propose to merge this template with Template:Infobox royalty -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 11:29, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

{{Infobox royalty}} is about a member of a royal family. {{Infobox monarchy}} is about a seat of a monarchy. Used for different subjects and not merge. --IM-yb (talk) 14:07, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the comment directly above, I oppose the proposal to merge this template with Template:Infobox royalty -- Blairall (talk) 17:06, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest adding incumbent's age to infobox

Suggest we add incumbent's birth year, month, and date (all optional, all in digits) to calculate and display the age of the incumbent (using Template:Age). Saves having to go to the incumbent's site to look up their age, For example at Monarchy of Belgium, currently we have to click on Philippe to see his age, which takes time especially if you are looking up several monarchies.

Existing parameters:

| incumbent =
| incumbentsince =

Suggested new parameters:

| incumbentbirthyear =
| incumbentbirthmonth=
| incumbentbirthday =

Suggested display format (age added):

Philippe

since 21 July 2013 (age 57)

Requested move 19 March 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved — Wug·a·po·des 22:25, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox monarchy → Template:Infobox monarch – Accuracy? PPEMES (talk) 14:44, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This box describes the monarchy not the monarch him or herself. DrKay (talk) 16:36, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the nomination in this edit. I'm assuming that the nominated due not intend to miss the "Template:" prefix in the move request (the proposed move destination was Infobox monarch), so I have fixed that. Steel1943 (talk) 17:29, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
...And now I have to oppose since Template:Infobox monarch is currently a redirect to Template:Infobox royalty, a different template than this one. Steel1943 (talk) 17:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(Pinging PPEMES in case they were not aware of this.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:32, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Suggested border changes

Would it be warranted to add "traditional" or "non-sovereign" as an option in the border field (such as for the monarchies of Buganda which are recognized by a government but have no real power)? Also, would it be possible to change the border color depending on the type selected? HapHaxion _{(talk / contribs)} 18:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]