Template talk:Nuclide/Archive 1

Archive 1

Ununbium

Ununbium has not yet been replaced by copernicium.--Mikespedia is on Wikipedia! 15:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

This seems to have been taken care of by replacing one with the other - I am affraid that any pages that were using the old name will now have errors.. I'll investigate.     — SkyLined (talk) 18:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

There were two pages, one a talk page, the other my list of nuclei, that were affected - nothing serious. The transition to the new name should now be complete and no more pages should have errors.     — SkyLined (talk) 20:03, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I can't read the &%$#ing things

In my reader, the "12" for carbon-12 only shows for the template {{SimpleNuclide2}}, but for none of the other three templates shown (where only the "6" shows, and the "12" is missing). I only noticed because somebody used these new templates in the isotope article, and I can't see them at all. Surely I'm not the only person that WP is becomming more and more unreadable for, due to these fancy transcluded templates? What happened to using the other perfectly good functions to show this stuff, for example: ¹²C ? SBHarris 04:37, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Re problem with templates: Unfortunately your fix of Isotope by changing Nuclide2 to Simplenuclide2 is not satisfactory, because (at least with Internet Explorer) Simplenuclide2 does not show the atomic number subscripts. True, the atomic number information is redundant for anyone who can find the element symbol on a periodic table, but the subscripts certainly should be given at the end of the third paragraph where the preceding sentence explains what the subscripts mean.

Nuclide2 on the other hand does show both superscript and subscript on my screen, which is quite mysterious since I don't see the atomic number in the source code for either the Isotope article or the Nuclide2 template. Is there hidden source code which tells the system that carbon is element 6?

And it is possible that the problem is browser-dependent. A few weeks ago with Internet Explorer I saw the Nuclide2 symbols with superscripts and subscripts piled on top of the element symbol (e.g. 12 on top of 6 on top of C !), but on Mozilla Firefox the symbols were normal. At the time I was preparing to describe this phenomenon on a talk page, but it was mysteriously fixed after a few days.

I think all this needs to be fixed by someone who understands the hidden source code. Or else as SBHarris says, we can just go back to <sub> and <super>. Dirac66 (talk) 19:52, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, please. For the record, I'm using IE also, but an older version, and it fixed the problem for me, but not you. So it's all screwed up. Since <sub, <sup, and <small work for everybody, why can't the people who write the templates employ them as subcode, so they can be sure this is going to work on everybody's browsers. This whole thing tmplate thing for superscripts is just wanking, as it converts code perfectly readable for anyone, into stuff that is now not accessable for large fractions of readers. And to save what amount of editing time cost? Almost nothing in this case. SBHarris 20:13, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

To be fair there is one defect with sub and super which may have incited whoever developed the templates. For isotope notation you cannot place the superscript directly over the subscript, so you have to write ¹⁴₆C (or else ₆¹⁴C which is worse I think). The template appears to put the 14 directly over the 6 as in textbooks, which is an advantage IF it can be made readable by everyone. If not then I agree with you that we should revert to sub and super, though it may take a little time to convince everyone that there is a problem. Dirac66 (talk) 01:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Overlaps in PDF render

Paragraphs containing subscripts and superscripts overlap

The PDF created by Wikipedia's "Download as PDF" function on article MOX fuel contains bad rendering of the paragraphs containing subscripts and superscripts, which are produced with template {{Nuclide2}}. The Printable version function produces a correct rendering. I could not find another article that also uses {{Nuclide2}} directly, but articles that use the wrapper {{Nuclide}} do not have this problem. I am also posting a note at Help:Books/Feedback#Template Nuclide2 may cause overlaps in PDF. -84user (talk) 17:31, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

symbol by atomic number

It might have been nice if these templates allowed selecting the element by atomic number. That is: {{nuclide2|92}} to work like: {{nuclide2|U}}. It is just a little more convenient when making tables, especially machine generated tables. Otherwise, thanks to whoever made this template. <sub> and <sup> don't do so well. Gah4 (talk) 16:51, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

⁵⁵
₂₅Mn
doesn't work.

It seems that there is an error in the table, such that {{nuclide2|Mn}} doesn't work. For testing purposes: ¹
₁H
⁴
₂He
⁷
₃Li
⁹
₄Be
¹¹
₅B
¹²
₆C
¹⁴
₇N
¹⁶
₈O
¹⁹
₉F
²⁰
₁₀Ne
²³
₁₁Na
²⁴
₁₂Mg
²⁷
₁₃Al
²⁸
₁₄Si
³¹
₁₅P
³³
₁₆S
³⁵
₁₇Cl
⁴⁰
₁₈Ar
³⁹
₁₉K
⁴⁰
₂₀Ca
⁴⁵
₂₁Sc
⁴⁸
₂₂Ti
⁵¹
₂₃V
⁵²
₂₄Cr
⁵⁵
₂₅Mn
⁵⁶
₂₆Fe
⁵⁹
₂₇Co
⁵⁸
₂₈Ni
⁶³
₂₉Cu
⁶⁴
₃₀Zn
⁶⁹
₃₁Ga
⁷⁴
₃₂Ge
⁷⁵
₃₃As
⁸⁰
₃₄Se
⁷⁹
₃₅Br
⁸⁴
₃₆Kr
⁸⁵
₃₇Rb
⁸⁸
₃₈Sr
⁸⁹
₃₉Y
⁹⁰
₄₀Zr
⁹³
₄₁Nb
⁹⁸
₄₂Mo
⁹⁹
₄₃Tc
¹⁰²
₄₄Ru
¹⁰³
₄₅Rh
¹⁰⁶
₄₆Pd
¹⁰⁷
₄₇Ag
¹¹⁴
₄₈Cd
¹¹⁵
₄₉In
¹¹⁸
₅₀Sn
¹²¹
₅₁Sb
¹³⁰
₅₂Te
¹²⁷
₅₃I
¹³²
₅₄Xe
¹³³
₅₅Cs
¹³⁸
₅₆Ba
¹³⁹
₅₇La
¹⁴⁰
₅₈Ce
¹⁴¹
₅₉Pr
¹⁴²
₆₀Nd
¹⁴⁵
₆₁Pm
¹⁵²
₆₂Sm
¹⁵³
₆₃Eu
¹⁵⁸
₆₄Gd
¹⁵⁹
₆₅Tb
¹⁶⁴
₆₆Dy
¹⁶⁵
₆₇Ho
¹⁶⁶
₆₈Er
¹⁶⁹
₆₉Tm
¹⁷⁴
₇₀Yb
¹⁷⁵
₇₁Lu
¹⁷⁸
₇₂Hf
¹⁸¹
₇₃Ta
¹⁸⁴
₇₄W
¹⁸⁷
₇₅Re
¹⁹²
₇₆Os
¹⁹³
₇₇Ir
¹⁹⁵
₇₈Pt
¹⁹⁷
₇₉Au
²⁰²
₈₀Hg
²⁰⁵
₈₁Tl
²⁰⁸
₈₂Pb
²⁰⁹
₈₃Bi
²¹⁰
₈₄Po
²¹⁰
₈₅At
²²²
₈₆Rn
²²³
₈₇Fr
²²⁶
₈₈Ra
²²⁷
₈₉Ac
²³²
₉₀Th
²³¹
₉₁Pa
²³⁸
₉₂U
²³⁷
₉₃Np
²⁴⁴
₉₄Pu
²⁴³
₉₅Am
²⁴⁷
₉₆Cm
²⁴⁷
₉₇Bk
²⁵¹
₉₈Cf
²⁵²
₉₉Es
²⁵⁷
₁₀₀Fm
²⁵⁸
₁₀₁Md
²⁵⁹
₁₀₂No
²⁶²
₁₀₃Lr
²⁶¹
₁₀₄Rf
²⁶²
₁₀₅Db
²⁶⁶
₁₀₆Sg
²⁶⁴
₁₀₇Bh
²⁷⁷
₁₀₈Hs
²⁶⁸
₁₀₉Mt
²⁸¹
₁₁₀Ds
²⁷²
₁₁₁Rg
²⁸⁵
₁₁₂Cn
²⁸⁹
₁₁₄Fl
²⁹²
₁₁₆Lv
Gah4 (talk) 17:17, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

OK, after fixing both {{ProtonsForElement}} and {{NeutronsForElement}} it now works. Seems that I am the first ever to try {{nuclide2|Mn}}. By the way, template errors in section headings give funny results. Gah4 (talk) 17:57, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

{{tfm}} ruins tables!

Putting the {{tfm}} tag on this ruins a lot of tables that use this tag. I suppose I agree that it could be put on {{nuclide}} to get those changed over (however long that takes), but ruining all the tables using {{nuclide2}} for now, doesn't seem necessary. Gah4 (talk) 00:16, 19 November 2016 (UTC)