Template talk:Off-season Atlantic hurricanes

Distinction

Should there be some sort of difference in color or font to differentiate between pre-season and post-season hurricanes? --Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty | Averted crashes} 22:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The idea was good but the colors are way too bright and not well suited for an encyclopedia. If you can get a better set of colors to accurately portray the specifics, feel free to show them here first so others can give their opinion. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:14, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How about this?

Less garish, I hope? And you won't be able to confuse the purple with the color of blue links that you've already clicked on (slightly different shade of purple). Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty | Averted crashes} 18:43, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

IDK, the yellow is slightly hard to read. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How about this?

Is it better? I replaced the orange with brown. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty | Averted crashes} 19:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I really like that. Great job. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:47, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto, except I think it could use a little more contrast.

With the purple-and-brown version, it was hard to distinguish between the two. I hope this one fixes everything! Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty | Averted crashes} 20:36, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do we really need to distinguish between pre and post season when doing so using colours breaches the MOS.Jason Rees (talk) 03:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes we do. Look above you. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty | Averted crashes} 04:06, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No i dont think we do since it breaches WP:Access and thus the MOS per our FLC Directors comments on the current GT nomination. Also please remember that Consensus can change and WP:Bold Jason Rees (talk) 04:10, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Where is your evidence that consensus has changed? Who is backing you up? Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty | Averted crashes} 04:29, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the consensus that the MOS should be breached by this template with the inclusion of Colours? The consensus above doesn't give you the right to breach the MOS and nor is it a common sense exception IMO. Especially when the FLC Director is moaning about the colours breaching the MOS at this GT.Jason Rees (talk) 04:36, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This, then? Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty | Averted crashes} 05:13, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That looks better, IMO. Maybe not so many groups, so it's not as long? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:19, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, since when is The Rambling Man "the FLC Director"? That is not a title allowable on Wikipedia. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty | Averted crashes} 05:22, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FLC - he is the director, and has been for a few years. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:24, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty | Averted crashes} 05:37, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jason, I wasn't "moaning" about it, I was just stating the facts. The template does not comply with WP:ACCESS. For those who are colour blind or have difficulty in distinguishing between certain colours, this template which uses just colour to differentiate between types of hurricanes is less accessible. Whoop Whoop, where does it say "FLC Director" is not "a title allowable on Wikipedia"? Have you read the WP:FLC instructions? There is also a FAC Director by the way. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:30, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Would the italics proposed in the final template above work TRM? my feeling is that it still wouldn't pass WP:Access.Jason Rees (talk) 17:20, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The italics is certainly a better solution than the colours-only approach. It would certainly cover the colour-blind issue, but by all accounts screen readers tend to ignore italics, bold etc so a blind reader wouldn't get the template. The way we deal with it in featured lists is to accompany the colour with a symbol, that way the symbol will be distinguishable to the colour-blind and read out by screen readers, but the colour will be obvious to those without accessibility issues. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:16, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

v t e Atlantic tropical cyclones forming in the off-season
Pre-1900	1771 • 1779 (first) • 1779 (second) • 1794 • 1822 • 1825 • 1865 (1) • 1887 (1) • 1887 (2) • 1887 (18) • 1887 (19) • 1889 (1) • 1890 (1)
1900-1949	1908 (1) • 1908 (2) • 1916 (1) • 1932 (1) • 1933 (1) • 1934 (1) • 1940 (1) • 1948 (1)
1950-1974	Able (1951) • One (1952) • Alice (1953) • Fourteen (1953) • Alice (1954) • Arlene (1959) • Alma (1970) • (Alpha (1972)) •
1975-1999	(Two (1975)) • (One (1976)) • (One (1978)) • Arlene (1981) • Lili (1984) • Karen (1989) • (One (1992)) • Nicole (1998)
2000s	Olga (2001) • Ana (2003) • Odette (2003) • Peter (2003) • Otto (2004) • Zeta (2005) • (Andrea (2007)) • Olga (2007) • Arthur (2008) Purple indicates a preseason storm. Orange indicates a postseason storm. Green indicates a storm which formed in the postseason and continued over to the preseason of the next year. Italicised entries are tropical or subtropical storms; the maximum strength of storms prior to 1851 is unknown, so for simplicity it is assumed that they all reached hurricane strength. (Parentheses) indicate a subtropical cyclone. Tropical depressions and storms which formed in the season and carried over into the postseason are not included.

v t e Atlantic tropical cyclones forming in the off-season
Pre-1900	1771 • 1779 (first) • 1779 (second) • 1794 • 1822 • 1825 • 1865 (1) • 1887 (1) • 1887 (2) • 1887 (18) • 1887 (19) • 1889 (1) • 1890 (1)
1900-1949	1908 (1) • 1908 (2) • 1916 (1) • 1932 (1) • 1933 (1) • 1934 (1) • 1940 (1) • 1948 (1)
1950-1974	Able (1951) • One (1952) • Alice (1953) • Fourteen (1953) • Alice (1954) • Arlene (1959) • Alma (1970) • (Alpha (1972)) •
1975-1999	(Two (1975)) • (One (1976)) • (One (1978)) • Arlene (1981) • Lili (1984) • Karen (1989) • (One (1992)) • Nicole (1998)
2000s	Olga (2001) • Ana (2003) • Odette (2003) • Peter (2003) • Otto (2004) • Zeta (2005) • (Andrea (2007)) • Olga (2007) • Arthur (2008) Purple indicates a preseason storm. Brown indicates a postseason storm. Green indicates a storm which formed in the postseason and continued over to the preseason of the next year. Italicised entries are tropical or subtropical storms; the maximum strength of storms prior to 1851 is unknown, so for simplicity it is assumed that they all reached hurricane strength. (Parentheses) indicate a subtropical cyclone. Tropical depressions and storms which formed in the season and carried over into the postseason are not included.

v t e Atlantic tropical cyclones forming in the off-season
Pre-1900	1771 • 1779 (first) • 1779 (second) • 1794 • 1822 • 1825 • 1865 (1) • 1887 (1) • 1887 (2) • 1887 (18) • 1887 (19) • 1889 (1) • 1890 (1)
1900-1949	1908 (1) • 1908 (2) • 1916 (1) • 1932 (1) • 1933 (1) • 1934 (1) • 1940 (1) • 1948 (1)
1950-1974	Able (1951) • One (1952) • Alice (1953) • Fourteen (1953) • Alice (1954) • Arlene (1959) • Alma (1970) • (Alpha (1972)) •
1975-1999	(Two (1975)) • (One (1976)) • (One (1978)) • Arlene (1981) • Lili (1984) • Karen (1989) • (One (1992)) • Nicole (1998)
2000s	Olga (2001) • Ana (2003) • Odette (2003) • Peter (2003) • Otto (2004) • Zeta (2005) • (Andrea (2007)) • Olga (2007) • Arthur (2008) Purple indicates a preseason storm. Crimson indicates a postseason storm. Green indicates a storm which formed in the postseason and continued over to the preseason of the next year. Italicised entries are tropical or subtropical storms; the maximum strength of storms prior to 1851 is unknown, so for simplicity it is assumed that they all reached hurricane strength. (Parentheses) indicate a subtropical cyclone. Tropical depressions and storms which formed in the season and carried over into the postseason are not included.